Can Obama remain “churchless?”

June 1, 2008

obama.jpgHOUSTON – Barack Obama is a man without a church.

The Illinois Senator and likely Democratic Party nominee for the November presidential election against Republican John McCain said on Saturday he had quit his Chicago church in the aftermath of inflammatory sermons that could become a political lightning rod.

Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, cut ties last month with the former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, Jeremiah Wright, who angered many with anti-American and racially charged sermons.

Just as controversy over Wright had died down, a Roman Catholic priest mocked Obama’s Democratic rival Hillary Clinton during a guest appearance at Trinity United in ways sure to cause offense to some.

Obama said he and his family will find a new church although they will likely not settle on one until early next year — after the election.

But can Obama remain “churchless” that long? 

The faith factor is always a big one in elections in America, where levels of regular church attendance and belief are much higher and weigh more heavily with many voters than those found in most affluent nations.

If Obama tries to settle on a church before November it could be subjected to the same level of media scrutiny that will be focused on his vice-presidential choice should he secure the nomination, which looks increasingly likely.

That could also bring unwelcome media intrusion into a house of worship.

But while Obama professes a deep Christian faith, his “churchless” status may still stand out as a political liability — though staying with United was obviously a bigger one.


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20 years sitting, with his family in an anti-American, racist, black liberation church. Now, Obama supporters are trying to make us believe it’s not an important issue. Well, it goes directly to what Obama believes, his character, how he sees America, and much more. And, enough with the thin response of what about Hagee? These extremist religious associates were not merely endorsements, Obama was deeply involved with these scary people for over 20 years. The fact that Obama finally quit the church, obviously for political expediency, only means that Obama has little integrity, and will do or say anything to get elected.

Posted by Howard Cossman | Report as abusive

Americans will sympathize with the Obamas’ need to search for a new religious community. People do that all the time when they move.

Also, Obama grew up in a loving environment without any particular religious instruction, so he’s more open than many about the ability of non-Christians to be wonderful, contributing citizens – here or abroad.

Posted by Esther Rupert | Report as abusive

Now that Barack Obama has broken with his church, one would expect that the news media pundits who forced him to make the move will, in the name of fairness, sever ties with their own churches as well.

Truth is that the hate-America ranting of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the Hillary-mocking humor of Father Michael Pfleger pale in comparison with the evils perpetrated in the name of God by leaders and officials of mainstream religions.

To wit:

–The thousands of alleged heretics racked, dismembered, burned at the stake, deep fried in oil, buried alive, skinned alive by order of Roman Catholic Inquisitors, with the approval of the Pope.

–The witch hunts of menopausal women and the countless tortures and executions inflicted by Protestant churches during the Reformation. “I should not have compassion on these witches. I would burn all of them,” declared Martin Luther. And John Calvin had no qualm about arranging the slow roasting of anyone who dared question his theology. (Check what he did to Michael Servetus).

–The racist teachings of the Mormon Church. As narrated in the Book of Mormon, the good guys, the Nephites, were fair-skinned, whereas the bad guys, the Lamanites, being descendants of Cain, were punished by God with a dark skin. (Nephi 5:21, Alma 3:6) According to Brigham Young the “flat nose and black skin” of African Americans were likewise the stigma of Cain. It wasn’t until 1978 that an African American was accepted into the Church priesthood. Then there’s the Church’s history of polygamy and sexism. Only two women figure in the Book of Mormon, and only in minor roles.

–The genocidal mandates of the Hebrew Jehovah in the Old Testament (Joshua 11; I Samuel 15:1-35). The scurrilous disparaging comments against Gentiles in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud: “All Gentile children are like animals (Baba Kamma 113.a); “Gentiles prefer sex with cows” (Abodah Zarah 22 a.); “Gentile girls are in a state of filth since birth” (Abodah Zara 221-22b; “Jesus mother was a whore”(Sanhedrin 106A)

Self-righteous media commentators bent on pillorying Barack Obama for his church affiliation should take a close look at the dark underbelly of their own religions.

Carlos Navarro
Davidson, NC

Posted by Carlos Navarro | Report as abusive

Could not agree more with Howard Cossman. I am unable to vote for a racist anti american person who did not care what his pastor said for 20 yrs until it became a political liability.

Posted by GIL | Report as abusive

Oh, please. This is in response to the comment above about Obama doing or saying anything to get elected: It is so clear that the United Church former pastor (Rev. J. Wright) and other clerical visitors preaching at that pulpit are only showing they are human and fallen too. They want their moments in the media and are capitalizing on the situation, Obama’s presidential campaign. This has nothing to do with Obama’s faith or integrity. I think the question whether he can remain ‘churchless’ for long is a more interesting one and has far more to do with his integrity.

Posted by Anita | Report as abusive

Anyone fool enough to care about this distractive BS is an idiot.

Lets all get wrapped up in the religion of the candidates instead of focusing on the issues at hand. This is like going to board meeting and debating the latest American Idol – typical distractions created by the political machine to avoid talking about what counts.

So you Obama bashers keep in mind that your being manipulated by the machine – left, right, conservative, liberal, religious or atheist – its all a shell game aimed at getting you to do what your told. So be the sheep your expected to be and argue about this unimportnat stupid distration.

Posted by not_bob_slc | Report as abusive

Get ready for this: Obama (my favorite in this race) could
join John Hagee’s church, picking up the votes McCain could have had…if only he’d believed in Hurricane Katrina being God’s will due to gay parades and other crazy, hateful theories. That’s gotta be it, Obama in Hagee’s congregation.

Posted by Steve Williams | Report as abusive

Obama was without a church for the first 25 years of his life. He can handle the next 6 months. And truthfully, right now, I don’t think he has time to go to church anyway. Last I heard, you don’t even need a church to pray to god.

Posted by Cindy | Report as abusive

Seems to me he’s doing the right thing. The comments weren’t twenty years of daily spiel, but a few circumstances.

Of course these GOP marketers hitting the blogs dismiss the Hague incident, “that’s different.” Bush’s draft dodging was different, Bush’s alcoholism was different, Bush’s failures were different. These are the sort of rhetorical flourishes that got Bush in, and re-elected.

It’s just spin. Words appealing to emotions. Forget the emotions that got us here today, look to the future and accept a fresh positive approach to America’s future. Maybe it’s McCain, maybe Obama, but stop relying on commentary like the one above. It’s spin.

Posted by VennData | Report as abusive

Obama is such a hypocrite. And his supporters despise Clinton for willing to do anything to win? Just look at their own candidate – he’s willing to sacrifice his own church of 20 years, in order to advance his own career. If he has had problems with it, he would have done it 20 years ago. Obama has shown repeatedly that he implicitly agrees with the pastors, but never cuts ties cuz they gave him the necessary political boost. Now that their use-by date expires, he can cut ties. Obama makes me sick, to the bone. I’ll vote anyone to get Obama’s hands off of White House.

Posted by max | Report as abusive

What on earth is wrong with this fixation of the media on the religious proclivities of Americans? Is religion really that important in American life? I don’t think so. Is it ever possible for an American political candidate to come forward and say, yes I am an atheist and I do not believe in God or Gods or angels or demons or ghosts for that matter.
Why does the media not promote rationalism and critical thinking instead of this idiotic fixation on profession of belief in God, church, Jesus, Bible and faith?

Seems we may have left Salem but Salem has not left us. And Obama is being forced into declaring his loyalty to Christian faith before he is asked about anything else.

Towards an atheistic future for the world!


Posted by atheist | Report as abusive

The people of Trinity United are nowhere near as scary as Cheney, Rove and Bush–not by a mile. Pfleger (not of Trinity) and Wright love hyperbole and media hype. Cheney, Rove and Bush operate with secrecy — hiding our reasons for going to war, playing G-d with our soldiers lives, and trashing our economy all while they line their own pockets. Get real, get focussed, and let’s do our country right by keeping our minds on the real issues.

Posted by ggaynor | Report as abusive

This is why religion does not belong in the equation. I do not believe those unfortunate sound bites represent Obama’s beliefs anymore than I believe it represents the beliefs of church he attended. It is sad that his former minister and the catholic priest will only be remembered for their unfortunate “15 minutes of fame”. I also do not believe Rev. Hagee represents the beliefs of McCain either. Too bad we are so easily led by the media.

Posted by J. Duffie | Report as abusive

He does not have the character needed to be president, we’re in trouble, lets face it people…. there is not a really good candidate, Clinton is better than this guy, most definately, I don’t think the democrats will make it if he is the candidate:(

Posted by Jillian Peters | Report as abusive

esther said:

“Also, Obama grew up in a loving environment without any particular religious instruction, so he’s more open than many about the ability of non-Christians to be wonderful, contributing citizens – here or abroad.”

first of all, that’s an ignorant, bigoted and sweeping statement about christians, and the fact that you (and many others) see nothing wrong with it is indicative of a deeply stupid holier-than-thou attitude in the american left.

second, what the hell does that have to do with anything? he’s open to the idea that non-christians can be wonderful citizens, so that makes it ok for him to share in the ideology of a bunch of anti-american anger-mongers who themselves profess christianity?


Posted by valens handel | Report as abusive

Mindless sheep, not even you religious people know why you practice religion, for show?

Posted by Filip Baba | Report as abusive

I know a great church Obama could go to and see pretty good Bible teaching. It is called Hill Country Bible Church in Austin, Texas.

Posted by Jeff | Report as abusive

Obama went to the church for 20 years. And was never there the days that the racist sermons were made? Now all of a sudden he wants to leave the church? What a joke. I can’t understand what voters see in this left winged hypocrite. I guess being stupid Americans means we like giving all our hard earned cash to uncle Sam. And voting for a black guy even though he is a total numbskull is “coo”. I’m scared for the future of this country when so many people will vote for this joker.

Posted by b s | Report as abusive

Do we know what church McCain, Bush, The Clintons, belong to? It is others who have made his church an issue? (At a time when we have so many important things to talk about.) Please and I mean this, for the leave of the real high power in whatever you believe, can we talk about the issues facing this country.

Posted by C | Report as abusive

Obama can resign, he can hide, he can say “I don’t belong to that church anymore so you can’t critize or ask questions about my past.”

But the facts remain the same……your past always with you…… comes back to life during a Presidential campaign no matter which party you belong too.

The bones are beginning to pop out and spit out regarding Obama’s many past issues….Rezko, Church, House, Land, Voting Record, Lack of Experience, Wright, Michelle’s big mouth (which is accountable), Ayers, Catholic Priest who hates Hillary and all women, etc……

Me, I’m writing in my vote for Hillary Clinton on Election Day.

Posted by Linda R. in Woodbridge, VA | Report as abusive

I don’t understand how people can have such a double standard and spread misinformation based on no real research. Whether it be right or wrong the pastors and associates of Clinton and McCain are not receiving the same scrutiny for similar rhetoric as Obama’s. Too many people accept the sound bites that are fed to us over and over without doing their own due diligence on if it is true or taken out of context. In the end, you may not agree with the outcome but at least you don’t look stupid when you post comments that aren’t true.

Posted by Vaughn Sanders | Report as abusive

[cue scary music] dum dum dum dum dum…………

[cue Voice of Authority] It’s 3 AM, and the President lies awake, tossing and turning …alone with the burdens of the world on his shoulders.

[tight shot on Obama, lit with blue gel, a bead of sweat trickles down his forehead]

Obama: Oh if only I had a building to worship in, then I could answer the phone if it rang with clarity, certainty, confidence, and panache…

Michelle: [sleepily] Honey? Go to sleep…. it’s 3 AM!

Voice of Authority: [gravely] Can America face this crisis in leadership?

[the music turns to a happy Calypso beat and the lights come on as a crowd of multicultural people burst in to the room]

People: Surprise!!!!!!!

Michelle: Who are these people?

Barack: What the ….. ?

People: Guess Who’s Coming to Worship!!!!!!

Voice of Authority: That’s right America, it’s FOX’s whackiest new reality TV show…. Guess Who’s Coming to Worship! Join the Obama family as they visit a new congregation each week to see what faith community is right for them! We’ll visit mega churches and storefront iglesias. We’ll answer age old questions like, Episcopal, Presbyterian, and Methodist….what’s all the fuss? We’ll explore the mystery of baptism, is there a difference between sprinkling or dunking? We’ll find out how the eggs got mixed up with the bunnies for Easter! We’ll have TWO Christmas specials, one with the Catholics and one with the Greek Orthodox church! Watch the adorable hijinks of the Obama girls as they convince the Secret Service to help them hide doves from Santeria brujas! Wait until you sample some of the recipes Michelle gleans each week as we sample another potluck meal! Find out who makes the best bagels, Reform or Conservative Jews? Find out who makes the most divine Angelfood cake. Get the low down on the biggest question once and for all…. home made vs. store bought, does it really matter which one you bring?

Coming this fall on FOX!!!!!

Posted by background n015e | Report as abusive

Suddenly their all SCARY….. All these churches have been in existence for a very long time, and on both sides of the fence. The GOP is a part of the same thing except they are WAY more scary (and they get elected). These are the same people spreading “freedom” and “planting the seeds of democracy” in countries that haven’t got any interest in “Americanism” and profiling and denigrating Muslims in this country. Some have gone so far as to kill an abortion doctor for …killing…babies? Does that make sense?
If there were an Atheist option for president, I’d be on board in a second…but they’re godless heathens, right?

Posted by Aaron Tyson | Report as abusive

Will you media idiots leave him alone?

With you, he simply can’t win.

Any church he attends isn’t good enough for you; but if he does not attend church that becomes an even bigger issue.

Yet McCain has pastor after pastor supporting him saying far worse things, but that doesn’t seem to bother you one bit. Why?

Posted by neil | Report as abusive

God help us all if we are to be judged by the extremities of the congregations we belong to. No one has a single example of Obama standing for, speaking to or supporting any of the extreme positions highlighted by the clips of sermons harvested from his church.
I am raised Catholic and have found continual issue with my churches exclusions of women from many parts of the Church, with my churches stand on tolerance of gay and lesbians, and with my churches professed commitment to alleviate poverty while standing in the way of every form of birth control. If I run for office should I called a hypocrite when my public policy and platform differ from my churches? Each of us is allowed to take what comfort we can find and any portion of the message we believe in from the church we go to. None of us should be saddled with responsibility for every word uttered from the pulpit of our church. What happened to the separation of church and state?

Posted by Greg Keenan | Report as abusive

Howard Cossman (1:21), you certainly are entitled to that view. But there is an alternative and far more likely explanation: that Obama genuinely and strongly disagreed with the church on these issues, but had been a part of its congregation for other reasons.

After all, in Obama’s entire career, including more than a decade in elective politics, he has never been known to espouse a message that at all resembled what came out of the two pastors at issue here. To me, it’s not hard at all to believe (and, indeed, seems fairly obvious) that Obama attended the church for exactly the reasons he said he did. That he left the church now makes a lot of sense both because: (1) it had become known for a message that he disagreed with, and (2) Obama believed that the media glare focused on the church wasn’t good for the church. Is that really so hard to understand?

Posted by Maddy Ellison | Report as abusive

This article has an aroma of anticipation for more drama. As in the game of tick-tack-toe, there is no winner as for as the writer of this news article is concerned. Unbiased reporting begins with you.

Posted by marymarshall | Report as abusive

Why not Bush has been for years. I have seen every President since Truman. Bush is the ONLY ONE that I have not seen come out of a church on a Sunday.So why no Obama. I just see as annother of his ploys!

Posted by Bert Gibbons | Report as abusive

He can always join The Jesse Jackson or AL Sharpton churchs as they will be the ones running this country

Posted by Tom Snow | Report as abusive

One would hoped he could remain “churchless” forever, like any other rational human being. I feel nervous voting for anyone who truly believes such nonsense about eating the flesh of zombie jesus to avoid the hell God created. Sadly all the candidates seem to subscribe to religious delusion, or at least bow to it. I hate you all. When China rules the world because we decided to focus on irrelevant dogma, we’ll probably just pray for our leadership role back.

Posted by Jeremy Flowers | Report as abusive

I for one would like very much to see the topic of religion moved to the bottom of the page if not off the page entirely. It’s about time we stop pandering to the invisible ghosts that have no proof of existance or influence. The three possible answers to prayer are yes , no and not now but somehow whatever the result it’s always gods will. I get the same results praying to my pet rock .

Posted by MJJP | Report as abusive

Bravo Carlos Navarro! The leaches that make a living from other people’s misery may find someday that will come back to them.

P.S. a man or woman without a church who believes
in god, will be as all the devout believe still protected by that god.


Posted by lenore Rapalski rapalski | Report as abusive

Obama’s worship of the creator is none of the public’s business. He is better president not affiliating with any particular church. I think Obama showed strong integrity in resigning from a group that was against his belief.

Posted by Rose Newburg | Report as abusive

Bravo Carlos Navarro – very well said! People are such hypocrites – all the pious posturing about whether the Obamas should find a church because somehow the election hangs on it. How about if all those christians out there offer to take the Obamas to their church every Sunday from now until he takes the oath of office? That would be something to see…

Lenore R.

Posted by lenore Rapalski rapalski | Report as abusive

Pure theatrics for the voting public… I am sure he will do what he has always done for political expediency…..

Obama quits Trinity…WHY? after all, he said ”I Don’t Think My Church Is Actually Particularly Controversial,”
I Can No More Disown Him ThanI Can My White Grandmother”

Rev. Wright had it right! Wright suggested that Obama was insincere in distancing himself from his pastor. ”He had to distance himself, because he’s a POLITICIAN.” We know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, HE WOULD NEVER GET ELECTED. ”Politicans Say What They Say and Do What They Do Based On Electability, Based On Sound Bites,Based On Polls”
Obama said ”I’m not denouncing the Church ”I do think there is a tradition in the African American church to speak out against injustice” (racial) So, he is not denouncing TUCC and Black Liberation Theology(struggle under white oppression and threatened by the insidious tentacles of white power) therefore, I can only conclude that the resignation is based on Political Expediency and when the election is over he will embrace TUCC once more.

.. px?RsrcID=2036 *Portrait of Barack Hussein Obama -In His Own Words*

Posted by 34159 | Report as abusive

Bravo Carlos Navvaro! Brilliantly pulled together background for the masses. Imagine the hypocrisy of the writer who is worried about the Obamas being churchless until after the election. As if the election should rise and fall on whether one has an established church. I’ve got an idea – why don’t all those concerned christians out there invite the Obamas to share service at their churches until they find one after the election?

Lenore R.

Posted by lenore Rapalski rapalski | Report as abusive

We should drop this nonsense of guilt by association.

One may freely practice whatever religion they choose. Further one may freely NOT practice religion. Separation of church and state: Sounds great to me!

Now about that 225k in taxpayer funds that Obama as an IL legislator managed to allocate for Pfleger’s parish…..

And then there was that 4.5 million he allocated for some dance company on whose board Michelle sat at the time.

THAT’s what I really want to know about.

Posted by None of the Above 08 | Report as abusive

Obama is playing this correctly. He plans on joining a D.C. church after the election, when he is settled into one place. If McCain is more of a church goer, perhaps, it becomes a real political issue, but he has renounced more pastors than Obama. One of the Bush legacies will be that churchiness does not make a great president, so this is a back-burner issue, and nothing that will decide the election.

Posted by David Rasmussen | Report as abusive

When they could not find radical video clips over twenty years showing Barrack in the audience – they created one aimed at Hillary! The Pfleger video was a Chicago style hit-job designed to split the democratic party aided by the sensation-seeking TV media. Why would Pfleger 1) duplicate Wright’s theatrical performance, 2) one week before the final primaries, 3) at Wright’s old pulpit and 4) pick a personal fight that was never his to begin with against the opposing democratic candidate, especially 5) when it is nearly won, 6) using race as the argument. 7) Amazingly there just happened to be a camera-person in the audience that posted to Youtube within two days. The intended audience was the national TV media! They had spent a solid month looping out-of-context video and trivial analysis while failing to spend ten minutes on how the candidates have already tackled the oil, the war, education, health-care,…in BOTH of their extensive public records (12 years for Obama, 7 years for Clinton). The media defamed and endangered a congregation with a long record for work for the poor in Chicago. Hillary had piled on at the time. For this the church congregation was more than ready to celebrate Pfleger’s counter-punch since it was delivered by a visiting white priest from an entirely different Christian denomination….as if to say “see we are not crazy, everyone thinks this way”

Pfleger’s long-term mutual support with Obama is peanuts when compared to what he could get for his ministry in such a high stake drama with only a slap on his wrist from the archdioses. Obama did what he had to do try to get the conversation in America back to real issues and to save his congregation from more personal attacks.

Posted by Young Atheart | Report as abusive



Large numbers of BUSH_McCain Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on with the backing and help of the medical and insurance industry. Under the direction of the George Bush, and Karl Rove vote fraud, and vote manipulation machine. Because they feel Barack Obama would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And they want to stop Hillary Clinton from fixing the HUGE! American, and Global mess they have created. shocking!!! isn’t it. Just gotta love those good old draft dodging, silver spoon Texas boys. Not! :-(

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves off of you, and your children’s suffering.

With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality affordable universal health care for everyone very soon. And you are also certain to see major improvements in the economy for everyone.

The American people face even worse catastrophes ahead than the ones you are living through now. It will take all of the skills, and experience of Hillary Clinton to pull the American people out of this mess we are in. Fortunately fixing up, and cleaning up others incompetence, immoral degeneracy, and mess is what the Clinton’s do very well.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

Just look at Oregon for example. Obama won Oregon by about 70,000 votes. But approximately 79,000 Bush republicans switched party’s back in January to vote for Obama in the democratic primary. They are not going to vote for, or support any Democrat in November. Are you DEMOCRATS going to put up with that. Are you that stupid, and weak. The Bush republicans think you are that stupid, and weak.

As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton. This is even more phenomenal when you consider she has been also fighting against the George Bush, Karl Rove vote fraud machine in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Hillary Clinton is STUNNING!.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and Bush republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.

You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don’t let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.

And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. :-)

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)


jacksmith… Working Class :-)

p.s. Cynthia Ruccia – I’m with ya baby. All the way. “Clinton Supporters Count Too.”

Posted by jacksmith | Report as abusive

This church episode irritates me to no end. First they make you join a church to be able to go into politics, and then they condemn you if you pick the “wrong” church, and I think it is highly significant that Obama is the only person they’ve ever done this to. It is almost pointless to go through the motions of going to some church where the minister’s sermons are vetted in advance so that they are nothing but vanilla pablum.

Posted by pablito | Report as abusive

I for one think it doesn’t matter if he picks a church right now or not. Of course it will take some time for him to find a new suitable church, so if it takes one day or six months doesn’t matter. That being said, although I am big believer in “the separation of church and state,” I think it’s unfair for others to say that religion isn’t or shouldn’t be important in American politics. Religion is important to millions of voting Americans so Obama is taking chance by possibly alienating some voters.

Posted by Shaun Cespedes | Report as abusive

All this proves the importance of maintaining SEPARATION of church and state. All these politicians falling over each other trying to show the masses who is more religious or has more faith in Christ. But that’s what the masses are demanding. Disgusting! I just want a man or woman in the White House who knows how to use his/her brain, examine situations rationally, and make informed, rational decisions. And I certainly hope I never see someone in the White House who says he prays to God for answers on important matters and receives God’s guidance. Is that you, God? Is that the answer? Maybe God’s talking to him, maybe not. I think it’s more likely his own delusional voice in his mind, or maybe worse, he’s getting his answer from the other guy…. he just thinks it’s God. Very scary. Let’s just get religion out of the White House now and for good!

Posted by Tim Boyles | Report as abusive

Even though I am not a supporter of Obama, I hope and pray that he finds himself and his family a good Bible-believing, faith-filled, loving, patriotic church where he can grow and learn about God and His son Jesus Christ.

Posted by Brett | Report as abusive

In my view, Mr. Obama ought to now keep his religious activities and opinions low profile, i.e., keep them to himself while on the stump. I for one don’t want to hear about them. They are his business, not mine. I’m a firm believer in the near sanctity of the First Amendment freedoms, rights, privileges (and accompanying responsibilities) enshrined in the Bill of Rights to “this Constitution for the United States of America.”

I also don’t want to hear from Mr. McCain or Mrs. Clinton (or especially from Mr. Bush) on what they are up to in the religious arena either! The same goes for Mr. Lieberman and his sidekick Mr. Graham, etc., etc., etc., etc. and so forth!

I’ve been around for awhile. I don’t remember Franklin Roosevelt or Harry Truman advertising their religious affiliations. Of course, I was a boy then, and didn’t pick up the newspaper much.

Ike didn’t run around advertising his religious leanings as far as I know.

Jack Kennedy’s biggest problem during the 1960 campaign was playing down his birth to Irish Roman Catholic (Christian) parents…likewise his youth and inexperience. Wow! Does this sound familiar or what? Isn’t Barack Obama’s story somehow reminiscent? Just substitute African for Irish and Muslim for Christian. Then add his youth and inexperience to the equation.

Of course, the African and Muslim heritage is only half of Mr. Obama’s story. The other half would require throwing Anglo and Protestant (Christian) into the mix.

None of this makes any difference to me anyway. I’m what one might call an “equal opportunity EMPLOYER”. The president and vice president; all of the administration’s political appointees and employees; every member of the senate and house of representatives and all of their employees; the supreme court…the whole huge mostly arrogant conglomeration of them…all work for ME.

I don’t work for them, that’s for darn sure. No, I’m not being just as arrogant as most of them, just stating a fact that’s all.

What I’m counting on in fact IS Mr. Obama’s youth and inexperience. Forget the rest of it.

This young man is going to bring his own version of something to the White House that has been missing since the “Camelot” days of “Jack and Jackie and John-John and Caroline”.

Yes, “Barack and Michelle and Malia Ann and Sasha”. That sounds perfectly fine to me.

I have high hopes for at least the first 100 days in “Camelot”.

HOWEVER, if Mr. Obama, Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Reid can’t get “New Deal” legislation passed and signed into law by the time my taxes are due on April 15, 2009, then…well…Mr. Obama will have seriously let me down. The democrat party will have also let me down (I’m speaking to the majority in the senate and house of representatives on this score as well). The latter had better follow their leader or we’ll end up with another republican congress like the one that came along beginning smack dab in the middle of Bill Clinton’s first term.

I’m banking that the three of these guys (includes the one gal) and their staffs are already putting the legislation together that is going to shake the present system of corruption and lust for power and money in Washington, D.C., to its very core.

I hope that at least one of Mr. Obama’s staffers is reading this and will pass it on to him. I heard him say yesterday while on the stump that every single vote counts. I hope that he meant mine as well. He said he didn’t mind spending his finite amount of stump time to talk to even a group of a half a dozen voters.

I also liked what he had to say about Veterans…Our Best & Finest. Bearing that in mind…have you got the legislation written on fully funding the DVA (VA) yet, Mr. Obama?

I’m also looking for the legislation that you’re already writing to raise taxes on the privileged class to pre-1981/pre-Reagan levels (a top marginal rate of at least 70% as I recall), and reduce my top marginal rate to 15% (or 11% where it was prior to 1981)…so that I like millions of other middle classers and working classers can lift up our great economy by consuming with (federal) tax free dollars (except for the FICA payroll tax of course).

Naturally, you’ll have to “persuade” the privileged class and super privileged class to be more patriotic, i.e., “persuade” them to build new factories and other production facilities here in the good ole USofA where OUR middle classers and working classers can find a job producing the goods & services that they (the middle class & working class) can then consume!

It ain’t much fun finding mostly Chinese goods on the shelves when one has no money to purchase them with!

It doesn’t take being a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Chinese Universist or a Buddhist or an Ethnoreligionist or a Neoreligionist or a Sikh or a Jew or a Spiritist or a Bahai or a Confucionist or a Jain or a Shintoist or a Taoist or a Zoroastrian or other religionist or non-religionist or atheist…it doesn’t take any of these “religious” leanings to figure out how to write legislation that takes care of Our Best & Finest AND that cuts taxes for those who work for a living (personal & small business) AND that raises taxes for those who don’t work for a living (personal, corporate & capital gains).


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Jack, above, I appreciate your article which expounds some useful and salient points. Good to read.

I simply say religion and governance DO NOT MIX! And that religious leaders have been talking hogwash for far too long.

Human Rights issues are the main thing – not religious dogma or even bigotry.

I hope Obama holds that idea too: I think he does.

I just HOPE they keep him safe.

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20 years, and Obama can’t effect change in his own church, and yet people believe he can “change Washington” and “change the nation”? As for his repeated mantra: “That’s not the (insert name of the latest embarasment here) I knew”… Well, it just goes to prove that either Obama is lying, or he’s absolutely clueless! How is he going to get through diplomatic talks with our enemies if he can’t even correctly judge the character of his mentors, spiritual advisors, and friends that he’s known for over 20 years! An Obama presidency would put all Americans in jeopardy, and his rhetoric is setting back race relations by decades. Make no mistake – he and his advisors are the ones making this about the color of his skin… When judged on the content of his character it is sorely lacking.

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