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McCain: It can be “tough” to be proud of USA

June 15, 2008

mccainus.jpg WASHINGTON – Republican presidential candidate John McCain admitted on Saturday it can be difficult at times to be proud of the United States.
 
“I’ll admit to you … that it’s tough in some respects,” McCain said when asked by a questioner at a town hall meeting how to be proud of the country.
 
“We have not always done things right and we mismanaged the war in Iraq very badly for nearly four years.”
 
McCain’s wife, Cindy, pounced on Michelle Obama, the wife of presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama, for saying in February that she was proud of her country “for the first time in my adult life.”
 
The Arizona senator said it was important for the United States to be more humble and inclusive.
 
“I think we can be proud of America because of what we’ve achieved and accomplished in this world,” he said.
 
“What we have to do is tell our friends around the world that we will be proud of America because of what we’re going to do.”

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 - Photo credit: Reuters/Shannon Stapleton (McCain speaks during a town hall meeting at Federal Hall in New York on June 12). 

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McCain has lost it. The “management” of the war is a lot of second guessing. Senator you are losing it. I wish you had the spine you used to have!

Posted by Dave | Report as abusive
 

McCain has lost his spine! Second guessing is for wimps

Posted by Dave | Report as abusive
 

America has done so much for the world; just giving the lives of our sons, fathers, brothers, etc. during WWII to help save Europe was a tremendous sacrifice. I watched my older sister as she had to move in with my parents, have a baby and pray for her husband who was in the infantry and landed at Normandy. My brother in law missed the birth of their daughter, holidays, all sorts of occasions while fighting in France and Holland; my sister had to have their child without him, worried every day that news would come that she could not bear. How can any American say they are not proud of just this one thing? America saved countries and lives. This is just ONE instance of being very proud of America. There are too many to list them here. Obama’s wife need to move to another country and stay there.

Posted by Clyde | Report as abusive
 

McCain is so busy trying to be all things to all people that he is nothing. Republicans won’t vote for you, John. Not enough of them anyway.

Posted by JDW | Report as abusive
 

McCain is trying so hard to reach across the aisle to the independants and democrats that he is going to lose those of us who don’t appreciate him slamming our president.

Posted by Sherry Fowler | Report as abusive
 

Isn’t that what Michelle Obama said?

Posted by Ed Beckley | Report as abusive
 

The only thing that Cindy McCain should be proud of is how she was able to steal John ( infidelity ) McCain from his bedridden wife. And to think that she waited him in this condition for 5 years while he was being held prisoner.

Posted by Ron | Report as abusive
 

The desperate attempt by the media to compare the two quotes is just plain sick, but not too surprising. We straw chewing regular folks saw media bias against Hillary, we expect it against McCain as well. The media will be punished in November- that’s a promise.

Posted by yell | Report as abusive
 

McCain, like many that have served his country, knows his country is capable of greatness. He is not so easily persuaded by anti-americanism from home and abroad that he fails to see the good things the USA does.

God has blessed the USA with men (and women) of courage, which McCain has proven himself to be time and time again.

Posted by Jeff B. | Report as abusive
 

I have always been proud of America. I have not always been proud of the leaders, but that is my right as a citizen. Michelle Obama needs to re-evaluate her feelings toward this country. She like her husband have spent 20 years listening to the likes of Rev. J. Wright it is no wonder her values are messed up.

Posted by Ben | Report as abusive
 

“What we have to do is tell our friends around the world that we will be proud of America because of what we’re going to do.” says McCain…………

Maybe the country should try doing something worth being proud of first.

Posted by JR | Report as abusive
 

And letthe excuses roll in.

But…but…but….REV. WRIGHT!!!!

 

Clyde, that was over sixty friggin years ago. How long does the world have to pay for our involvement in WW2. There were other country that paid a higher price than we did, you know.

Posted by JR | Report as abusive
 

This is a ridiculous statement. McCain is yet again exposing his campaign strategy by trying to run as a Democrat. I feel like there are two Democrats running: Carter Vs. Truman. I don’t want either of them.

Posted by Billy Peaches | Report as abusive
 

Why hasn’t anyone questioned john McCain’s patriotism for the United states….. What he said is right along the lines of what Michelle Obama stated…… Double standard as usual in the Country…..People need to get a grip and realize that this is not a perfect country and we have a right to question what our government is doing especially if is affecting everyone’s economic situation… No one needs to re-evaluate their feelings on this topic….Both have said what they felt…. and they are human… back off…..

Posted by Eric | Report as abusive
 

Lets grow up boys and girls and stop parsing every word both McCain and Obama say. Lets discuss the war, deficit, economy, energy and all the real problems facing America after what has happened over the last eight years. Right now we are the laughing stock of the western world.

 

It can be tough to be proud of the USA.
I sure want that in the White House representing
America. If he isn’t proud to be here then he should get
out. Besides is he dumb or what. His friend Bush has
made the USA what it is. Eight years of Bush and he
has nearly destroyed America.
McCain talks to much about nothing like Bush.
Obama will take him in November by a landslide.
Thank Heaven!!
If McCain gets into the White House I won’t be proud
of America for voting him in. If he does win then
you get what you deserve and stop whining. Just like
when they voted Bush in.

Posted by Sammy | Report as abusive
 

We can’t stand five more moths of all this parsing of talking points.

 

It frustrates me that he says this now, after the stink his wife raised. America is made up of it’s people and leaders. You cannot seperate the pieces. Our leaders have failed. Too many are homophobic, selfish, obese, self centered, greedy, etc, etc. You name it, there are a lot of things to be sad, and not proud of. I am angry. I am ready for change. I feel proud to be part of that change. Obama has new ideas and looks to Americans to step up and work together to make this country strong, secure, prosperous, unified and loving. That is something that anyone and everyone can be proud of. That is what Michelle meant. That is what I hope McCain meant. Those that mock, or excuse, you are exactly what I speak of. Look in the mirror. Or just shut up.

Posted by John Lockwood | Report as abusive
 

Hmm.. Will Cindy McCain (aka the St. Paulie’s Girl) slam John McCain for HIS comments saying it can be “tough” to be proud of the Unites States now? If this is John McCain’s idea of running a clean campaign, having your wife throw the mud we all should proud to call him an American.

Posted by Dave | Report as abusive
 

We should definitely be proud of what we as Americans have achieved — like Marine David Matori torturing and killing a puppy in Iraq and videotaping it.

Posted by Jane | Report as abusive
 

No major world power is always going to be able to be proud of all they do. This is true whether it is run by a dicator (good or bad) or by a dysfunctional democratic system (and they are all dysfunctional in some ways). Michelle Obama’s much distorted comments were obviously about a narrow issue of voter participation, but frankly the broader issue is just as real. If you want to say that you are proud of EVERYTHING about the US in past history or even recent history, you have not paid much attention to history. There are many, many great things about this country, people and political system. That does not mean that it is perfect. Real patriots don’t try to deny that.

Posted by Steve S | Report as abusive
 

McCain isn’t his own man anymore … he’s Bush’s made man. What a joke.

Posted by Ron | Report as abusive
 

McCain is ASHAMED to be an American. Is this the kind of President we want? Shame on you, McCain.

Posted by GodBlessUSA | Report as abusive
 

John McCain is so proud of his country that he is willing to ruin it. Do you really think that the wife of someone running for president actually meant that she was not proud of her country or is it what you morons want to hear?

Posted by Ron | Report as abusive
 

Pride comes before the fall…
You faux-patriots best take an honest, in-depth look at the real history of America. This is, no doubt, the greatest country on the planet, as was the Holy Roman Empire, and numerous nations past that have since fallen. Pride and arrogance are rampant in American leadership, and a large (but dwindling) number of citizens. Your hollow claims of “patriotism” are nothing more than a thin veil covering your true sickness: WHITE SUPREMIST MENTALITY (acute Cognitive Dissonance).

Posted by Ken | Report as abusive
 

There is absolutely no doubt in anyone’s mind that Amearica is a Great country for many many reasons to a vast majority of the people around the world.
The problem is the image of the country to people out side america who have not seen americans from inside. The perceived image is so distorted now because of these screwed up foreign policies that the true fabric of american culture and greatness have been overshadowed by the perceived image as a war-monger and aggressive power.

Posted by didar | Report as abusive
 

I’m always proud of my country, but the corporate elites are killing us.

And as for the McCain “losing his spine” post, if John McCain has lost any spine, he still has more than most people will ever have.

 

That McCain,
He reminds me of Captain Queeg in the Caine Mutiny (1954 Bogart Movie). Every time he is asked a tough question about the economy, its like he is being grilled on the stand about the strawberry issue.
That McCain, he needs his clock cleaned!

Posted by Miss Muppet | Report as abusive
 

Just to continue my thought, I challenge people who are critical of these types of thought about pride, to tell us what we have, in the big scale, and current time frame, to be proud of?? What in our society is so great that we should toot our horns? Individually, a lot of us do as much as we can to help others, effect change, raise our families well. Helping those in need. Trying to be “green.” Individually we try. But when other countries look at us, they see fat, lazy, war hungry, greedy, self centered people. They see a government that has stripped the rights and liberties of not only their constituents, but anybody they consider different. We need to change that perception. We need to change that reality. And it starts with acknowledgement of the fact that there is little to be proud of, and we need to work hard to regain that pride and excellence in the eyes of the world.

Posted by John | Report as abusive
 

THIS IS THE PERSON ADVISING JOHN McCAIN ON ECONOMIC MATTERS….Carly Fiorina led the company Hewelett Packard into a controversial merger with rival Compaq in 2002. Fiorina presided over a halving of Hewlett Packard’s value during her tenure and heavy job losses.[1] She was fired by HP’s board due to dissatisfaction with her performance in February 2005.

Posted by Ron | Report as abusive
 

Thank you, to Mr. McCain, for giving us an alternative to Clinton, and a right answer to the blind-sighted stumblings of Mr. Obama. This country is ready for a strong answered leader, who isnt a war profiteer. The oil companies profits should be illegal…( tens of Billions per quarter);certainly immoral. I’ll vote for the leader who can show me that the oil companies do not have the right or the power to ruin our country, just because they pay off our law makers.

 

A vote for Mc Cain is a vote for AMNESTY!! don’t be fooled!!
My elderly Father said “The only War-Hero was the North Vietnamese Soldier that shot Him down”…
And I’m deffinately NOT voting for Obama either.

This is yet another election where I wish Pat Paulson was still alive so I could vote for Him.

Posted by Kaos | Report as abusive
 

I will be proud when people start voting because of the issues and not because of who a candidate knows or is associated with. Who cares about Rev Wright or John Hagee. They are not the ones running for office. I could care less about lobbyist or what a wife says. How much money they have. I am much smarter than that. I am smart enough to know that a President will not be able to deliver on everything they promise. I just listen to the policy’s of each and vote with who I believe is better for America. BTW . .I voted for Bush . .

Posted by Roger | Report as abusive
 

So McCain finds it tough to be patriotic because we’re mismanaging the war?

I find it difficult to be patriotic because we’re waging an unjust, needless war.

And because America has now decided that it is OK to practice torture.

And because we no longer believe that the accused deserve trials.

McCain’s patriotism is founded on our nation’s military might. Mine is founded on what I believed to be our moral might. McCain is disappointed that we’re not winning the war. I’m disappointed that we’ve become the evil we sought to destroy.

Posted by fjfjdvdv | Report as abusive
 

McCain said exactly what I would hope a man seeking to become Commander In Chief would say. I can only speak for myself but I find it easy to express great pride in the United States right up to the moment the current Commander In Chief was called up to begin making decisions.

Posted by Ed | Report as abusive
 

For once McCain has spoken some truth. If you haven’t lived other people’s lives you can’t tell anyone how they should feel and when they should be proud. Part of being American is being able to express that little thing called the First Amendment. If you’re like Cindy McCain and can get a pass on a drug offense most others would still be doing time for – yeah, you’d think everything is fair, too.

Posted by Deekan | Report as abusive
 

Everybody has been second guessing the war, and it’s one of the qualities of American government that set us apart from those ideologically rigid dictatorships who don’t see the tide coming until they’re drowning.

Go read Clausewitz, or ANYTHING for that matter (On Strategy is a good choice), and you’ll see that political objectives will and must change to fit what happens in chaotic situations. So Bush was wrong, and here we are.

Our current President has changed the objective in Iraq because the facts didn’t bear out the original objective and yet there was obviously a lot of work to be done as a result of the invasion, for better or worse. You break it, you bought it.

Michelle Obama should talk to those faithful who still promote Stalin as a great leader, and who talk about the great advances the Soviet Union made in education and technology during that era. The United States has traditionally been quick to denigrate the accomplishments of tyrants. On that point alone the United States (including its government) deserves credit, and another big fat negative for those vocal few in the Obama camp who think that continuing to be negative supports their candidate (which it doesn’t, and doesn’t appear to be something he appreciates).

Posted by Edwin Herdman | Report as abusive
 

this is silly. who cares what their wives said. it would be impressive if the U.S. had real power and didn’t have to influence by force. I say we take all the leaders around the world who start wars or threaten to start wars, and lock them up. It’s 2008 and we have more serious issues than these self centered, immature politicians. goodness.

Posted by Jason | Report as abusive
 

I remember Bush when he ran the first time talking about humble US foreign policy. What a load of s#@$. Lesson: don’t believe what they say. McCain talks humble, let’s see him walk it.

Posted by Logan | Report as abusive
 

John is articulating a fundamental truth about our history. There are a great many actions that have been taken by the U.S. Gov’t which are in direct contrast to the Constitutional charter. Genocide, Slavery, Civil Rights, support for 3rd world dictators, etc.

There is no doubt that our nation has contributed greatly to the affluence and freedom of the world, however it is a show of strength for McCain to make this acknowledgment because one of the greatest impediments to the healthy growth and development of our young people is the duality and guilt that accompanies a history of such inhumane actions silhouetted against the perfection of those eternal words ‘We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal’. Young people feel guilt and shame for a history in which our ‘forefathers’ betrayed many of the values for which they stood. Thus, for our leadership to accurately chart a course in which our young people feel not shame for our nations sketchy history, but remorse for the blind actions of misguided Americans, and when they begin to understand the context in which those shameful actions took place, then a great shift will occur. Once that happens the talents and energies of our young people can be fully directed towards confronting the most challenging issues that our nations faces, energy independence, radical islam, ecological desecration, poverty, education, health care, etc. and the first step is to recognize our past failings. We owe it to ourselves, the world, and to God to do better.

Posted by Objktv | Report as abusive
 

When the “straw chewing regular folks,” such as the poster above named “Yell” can’t place the responsibility on a candidate such as Senator McCain to succumb to the cult of personality that has risen within the 28% of blinded supporters around the faux conservative leadership of Bush and his minions, they blame the media. Get a firm grip folks. The last 7 years has been a farce perpetrated upon the entire world never seen previously in the annals of the U.S. Get over it. Bush in his zeal for a legacy as a “Great War President” and political party partisan gain has instead turned out to have been the worst president ever. True conservative Republicans suach as Reagan, Goldwater and Eisenhower, and yes, even Ricard M. Nixon are collectively rolling over in their graves. How far the great party has fallen…

US Navy Veteran

 

McCains courage seems to have gone AWOL some time ago. Don’t bother telling me what a courageous person he is, I too served in Viet Nam and saw real courage and McCain isn’t displaying it, to Americans or the World.

If he needs a time to claim he wasn’t proud of America, perhaps he should list when America turned their backs on the Vietnamese and let millions in Southeast Asia die at the hands of Communism.

I’m afraid we are down to the two most worthless candidates for president in history!

 

McCain made gaffe. Funny and ironic, but understandable in response to a question. Michelle Obama made a gaffe,one poorly worded sentence that has been blown out of proportion and no one including Reuters bothers to print her explanation when it is brought up – so much for the “liberal media”, Mrs Obama also said,
“What I was clearly talking about was that I’m proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process,” she said.

“For the first time in my lifetime, I’m seeing people rolling up their sleeves in a way that I haven’t seen and really trying to figure this out — and that’s the source of pride that I was talking about,” she added.

When asked if she had always been proud of her country, she replied “absolutely.” “Barack and I, our stories wouldn’t be possible, if it weren’t for fundamental belief and pride in this country and what it stands for.”

My family has served in the U.S. military for four generations, none of us has taken offense at McCain or Michelle’s gaffes.

Posted by Ryan Reynolds | Report as abusive
 

I think Laura Bush put Michelle Obama’s remark about being [being proud of America] to rest. Mrs. Bush felt Mrs. Obama meant “more” proud so we should leave it there. Mrs. Obama is not running for president folks and Mrs. Bush advised Michelle to be very careful about what she says publically. Advice from one first lady to another? Perhaps. I feel Laura Bush showed how classy she is by defending Mrs. Obama. Thanks, Laura, for rising above it all!

Posted by Tangito | Report as abusive
 

Did he forget that he paraded his wife in front of cameras to say,.,Yes I have always been proud of America (The country which has given me millions so I dont have to go out and work as hard than you other miserable people and

TAKE PHOTO SHOOTS FOR VOUGE OUTSIDE OF MY OCEAN SIDE HOME IN CALIFORNIA…

I BET YOU ARE PROUD…HAVE YOU EVER FACED A DAY OF SCRUTINY IN YOUR LIFE…I SURE YOU HAVENT…BLONDES PEOPLE WITH BLUE EYES GENERALLY DONT

Posted by Tonya | Report as abusive
 

Bush and McCain are not I repeat are not real patriots.
You don’t take our military into a war on LIES and DECEIT
them and the AmericaN people. McCain who wants to keep
us in Iraq for 100 years.
I will say a million times, our brave men and women
deserve so much from us and especially the people
running this great country. Neither one of them have
any respect for life at all. IMPEACH BEACH!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN WHO WILL ONLY TAKE US INTO MORE CHAOS.
We should be proud of America, but not our LEADERS
WHO HAVE LED US DONW A HORRIBLE PATH!!

IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Sammy | Report as abusive
 

MLK Jr. pleaded “Judge by character, not by the color of one’s skin” McCain has proven character. Obama is an empty designer suit, a Hollywood look with an alarming lack of concern for the defense against terrorism coming back to America. Obama has a JFK charisma, but McCain mirrors JFK words and deeds. Obama’s promises a rudderless ship headed for disaster, McCain offers experienced mariner skills to guide our country through challenging waters.

Posted by Jim Warrick | Report as abusive
 

Challenging waters? Oh yea! McCain will take us
deeper and deeper into a mess. Obama will use his
head, what we have now is a empty headed President
and McCain will be the same.
I happen not to see one’s skin color. That is just
how I was raised. It is the character and heart
of a person that matters most. Bush and McCain
have neither.

Posted by Sammy | Report as abusive
 

What did John McCain, the Vietnam VETERAN, actually do in Vietnam ? He got shot by a North Vietnamese and spent 5 years in their under water prisons !

Posted by yousuf | Report as abusive
 

John and Cindy McCain would rather die, than EVER, EVER say “For the first time in my life I am proud to be an American”

Has obama ever fought for America ever in his life?
Has Michelle?

 

We have had the most evil foreign policy since WWII. We have helped displace millions of Palestinians from their homes & keep supporting this apartheid. We have caused turmoil in the Middle East by supporting Shah Iranian shiites against the Iraqi sunnis & then changing beds & arming the Saddam Iraqis against the Iranian’s. Repeat this multiple times in the current Iraq civil war. We have caused turmoil in South America & supported dictatorships throughout the world. We say we want democracy in the M.E. but are scared to death when democracy doesnt give the outcome we want (i.e. Gaza, Saudi royals). Explain to me again why we should be proud? We have caused a lot of turmoil & we need a straight talker & non denier like Ron Paul or we will be known as imperialists in the history books forever.

Posted by Jeff | Report as abusive
 

The human history is based on sacrifices of few (USA, Japan, China, India, Russia). It does not mean that a proud nation should not introspect. Questioning policy of government and a war does not mean questioning the brave men and women. It is a debate about policy. Our veterans are national heros and need to be treated with respect. But a debate on policies is needed for the welfare of all.

Posted by Al Sita | Report as abusive
 

I totally agree Mr. John McCain his comments, because look what America done to Iraq; after five years of illusion and death, the Iraqis are still left without a state, security, institutions, jobs or services. They are suffering from destitution, despotism, anxiety, displacement and death free of charge.

Posted by Mo ali | Report as abusive
 

Take the McCain-Bush Challenge and see if you can tell the difference: http://www.bush-mccainchallenge.com/

Posted by Scott Smith | Report as abusive
 

JFK, RFK, MLK, Emmitt Till, ’68 DNC, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Slavery, Jim Crow, 2000 election, mass racism that fails to ever let up. Some legacy, USA.

Posted by aliota | Report as abusive
 

If you all are really concerned about being proud to be an American, then why not for Ron Paul. Forget about the other two so called candidates an really get someone in office that will do things, according to the U.S.Constitution, that our founding fathers gave us. Think about voting in the box that says other. Otherwise be a lemming an go for another term of lies, deceit, an downright abuse of the Constitution. RON PAUL for a real American we can be proud of.

Posted by andrew | Report as abusive
 

Jeff, you are totally wrong when you say America is supporting Apartheid in Palestine.

The Israelis want nothing more than to achieve peace with the Palestinians. Israel is always negotiating with Fatah, who, just like Israel, support the two States, Palestine and Israel living side by side.

However, ISRAEL IS STAYING PUT FOREVER, and will NOT agree to being intimidated by Hamas, who do not recognise Israel’s God given right to exist.

What one must take into account here, is that Israel has been around for thousands of years, and will NEVER be DRIVEN OUT BY HAMAS.

As soon as Hamas recognises Israel’s right to exist,
as soon as Hamas stops fring deadly rockets at Israel,
the sooner the peace proccess has a chance to get off the ground.

Remember, it is peacethat has to get off the ground, NOT ROCKETS.

 

The only way the USA can get back their respect and acceptence in the world community is by impeaching the mass murderers Bush and Cheny and Rumsfield – or drag them to Hague to face the World court on charges of crime against humanity. There is no other way. No one is above the law. Most American people are very honest,law abiding and generous people. Why should a couple of terrorists like Bush, Cheny and Rumsfield ruin the good name of the great USA…

Posted by yousuf | Report as abusive
 

The Supreme court judges were right.
Could John Mccain be alive today if he was not fairly treated as a POW (enemy)in Asia?
How can the same Mccain who was fairly treated as a POW (enemy) in Asia and who is now running to be the president of USA wish for inhumane treatment of prisoners (enemies) of USA?
These prisoners are criminals but they should be tried and sentenced. The universal law says do on to others what you will love them to do on to you or better, do on to others what they did to you.
Is Mccain just some kind of wicked person? We christains should think well before voting for this John Mccain. What I see in his presidency is Blood. Bloody streets all over the world. The universal law says love your enemies but also be wise in your dealings with people who hate you.
I cannot vote for someone whose best word is WAR and who demonstrate hatred towards fellow human being.

 

The straight-talk express roll on. But in this case I know you guys on the other side wish he would have thrown you a little red meat to feed your ignorance.

Sorry guys, In case you have not noticed, your candidate is confused and out of touch with the devices and tactics of the GOP party.

but more importantly
Happy Father’s Day Tim…. You will be sorely missed

Posted by Omentum | Report as abusive
 

WHY HASN’T THE MSM QUESTIONED JOHN MCCAIN’S PATRIOTISM AFTER SUCH A STATEMENT? COULD IT BE A CASE OF DOUBLE STANDARDS?

Posted by nena | Report as abusive
 

i like to see a video link…let’s see if foxnews will be making just as big a deal as they did with michelle obama

Posted by GORY | Report as abusive
 

Doesn’t McCain realize that there are people waiting for a reason to cast their ballots for him? All he has to do is think about what he’s going to say before he opens his mouth. If that means a few seconds of dead air, so be it.
The weasel-worded statement about pride in America was doubly lame because of Flag Day.
I have always been proud of being an American. I have always loved this country and this flag.
If there were no America, the world would be a conflagration of dictators and socialists with dead and dying people as their legacies.
John McCain is weak on ‘Global Warming’ and weak on American Pride

Posted by David Adams | Report as abusive
 

I’m proud to be an American and it’s not hard at all. I’m proud that our founding documents brought the concept of civil rights and human rights to the world. As long as we have been free, we have been a strong, good hearted and generous people. From electricity to the personal computer, we’ve given many wonderful things to the human race. In Mt Rushmore, we created the largest permanent monument on the face of the earth … one that will still be there when the pyramids have been blown to dust.

Most of all, I’m proud of our pioneering personal liberty. That’s why I’m still supporting Ron Paul. I’ll be marching in Washington on July 12th, and I’ll be marching into Minneapolis in September. I hope many of you will join us!

 

Wow — can we say “double standard”?. Jeez; Obama ’08!

 

I understand very well what Sen. McCain is saying. Pres. Bush’s approval rating is below 30 percent. When I see images of him with other world leaders, it has at times been very embarrassing. As he said in the article above..”it can be difficult at times…” and it’s tough in some respects”.
To the one speaking about POW’s…being a christian has nothing to do with war..do you think it was fair when Moses let the sea swallow up the army that was chasing them? Trust me, if someone raped your child the last thing you would do is treat that person “fairly”. Try learning about what Sen. McCain experienced as a POW. Guess what, he knew the treatment he was getting was because he was THE ENEMY!! “FOR THOSE WHO FOUGHT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW.”

Posted by Margaret | Report as abusive
 

Wow. This will get the Bush dead-enders wound up. So McBush agrees with Michelle Obama on this issue. As do most of the sane and rational. The only difference is that the media won’t have a conniption over it when McBush says it…you know, because the media is “liberal.” Hilarious.

Posted by jim | Report as abusive
 

Interesting how the GOP is quick to bounce and viral Michelle Obama’s comments… Question? What will the Tennessee GOP say NOW??

Posted by Thetruth | Report as abusive
 

Here’s what caught my eye in this web log (assuming the facilitator quoted Mr. McCain correctly):

“I’ll admit to you…that it’s tough in some respects,” McCain said when asked by a questioner at a town hall meeting how to be proud of the country. “We have not always done things right and we mismanaged the war in Iraq very badly for nearly four years.”

I’ve never understood, Mr. & Mrs. Reader, why the term “managing” is used or alluded to by Mr. McCain or any other politician or a pundit when referring to the counterinsurgency operations being conducted in SW Asia by Our Best & Finest. I’m sure that I’ve read where Mr. Obama has used this term too, within the same or a similar context.

I’m a retired Soldier. I commanded Our Best & Finest’s engineer units for five and a half years, to include a combat engineer company in the 8th Engineers, 1st Cavalry Division, III Corps. I came up through the ranks, having been a noncommissioned officer in Vietnam.

Based on my personal experience then, “managing” is not a term that can be applied to the world of Our Best & Finest.

Young squad leaders lead. Young platoon leaders lead. Company commanders command, and mentor platoon leaders. Platoon sergeants advise platoon leaders, and mentor squad leaders. Company first sergeants advise company commanders and mentor platoon sergeants. Squads and platoons conduct operations and tactics “down where the rubber hits the road”…where they risk their lives or limbs, sight, hearing and mental & physical health.

Above company level, battalion, brigade, division, corps, army & army group commanders command. Command sergeants major advise their respective commanders, mentor first sergeants and collaborate on how best to take care of Our Own.

There is nothing about “managing” in what I just wrote.

Now…this brings me to the president’s relationship with Our Best & Finest, as briefly spelled out in Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of “this Constitution for the United States of America”, to wit (EMPHASIS added):

“The President shall be COMMANDER in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

Does it say “MANAGER in Chief”? Of course it doesn’t. “Managing” relates to civilian business affairs, and is not applicable to “military business”.

Secondly, Our Best & Finest are not fighting a “war” in SW Asia. A war is an open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations.

Rather, Our Sons & Daughters are conducting artificially extended counterinsurgency operations resulting from an unconstitutional congressional “resolution”. That is, no “war” has been declared in accordance with Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the U.S. Constitution, to wit (EMPHASIS added):

“The Congress shall have Power…To DECLARE war, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;…”

Does it say “RESOLVE or SOLVE war”? Of course it doesn’t. A “resolution” is a formal expression of opinion, will or intent. To “DECLARE” on the other hand, is to make known formally, officially and explicitly, i.e., clearly and forthrightly.

If temporarily elected politicians don’t like the U.S. Constitution’s permanent wording, then they have every right to try and get it amended by the states. What they don’t have a right to do is make end runs around America’s supreme law, i.e., the law that transcends all other U.S. laws. Such an end run by the legislative and executive branches is illegal, whether OR NOT ruled and declared illegal by the judicial branch, e.g., the supreme court.

The vague and murkily implicit business of “resolutions” only leads to unconstitutional powers being indeterminately exercised by elected and appointed officials–said powers and their indeterminacy never being expressed by the framers of the U.S. Constitution.

If such indeterminate “war powers” are somewhere in the U.S. Constitution, I challenge anybody to quote them.

Finally, I just mentioned “artificially extended”. It’s way past the time for hedging and the mincing of words when it comes to what has been going on at the White House and on Capitol Hill.

It is downright shameful of politicians to sacrifice Our Sons & Daughters on the altar of their desire (even lust) for power.

Okay, I’ll give a few of those temporarily elected politicians who have not taken personal action to make every human effort to rescind unconstitutional “resolutions” the benefit of the doubt. Let’s just say that they should be downright ashamed to sacrifice Our Sons & Daughters on the altar of (first) their ignorance and (then) their informed procrastination.

OK Jack

P.S. As for Mr. McCain’s remarks about being proud of our country–I’m proud of the U.S.A. and Our Best & Finest. However, I’m extremely disappointed in the majority of politicians who occupy the White House and Capitol Hill. Are they disappointed in themselves? Perhaps…but I really seriously doubt it.

 

McCain is a pathetic liberal moron. Screw him! Americans don’t need to apologize for anything. Americans should be proud that they have liberated over 25 million people from tyranny.

He just lost election.

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My jaw dropped when I saw this. Is McCain actually being reasonable and realistic? Will he criticize and anaylize our situation instead of being a republican clone? Continue to criticize the president, people voted for you because they didn’t want an intrenched republican like Rudy, they want a CHANGE. They don’t want more Bush Co.

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‘What we have to do is tell our friends around the world that we will be proud of America because of what we’re going to do.” says McCain…………”
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So McCain said there are times when it is difficult to be proud of our country. By his comment above, is he saying he is NOT PROUD of our country now, but WILL BE PROUD OF AMERICA ONLY “because of what we’re going to do.”? That is actually what he is saying folks.

By the way, Michelle’s comment was: “For the first time in my adult life, I am REALLY proud of our country.” She did not say, nor is she saying, she was never proud of our country; she has ALWAYS been proud of our country but now she is REALLY PROUD of it. Senator McCain is clearly stating he is NOT proud of our country now; however, “will be proud of it ONLY because of what we are going to do….”, in other words, he will be proud of it ONLY when HE becomes President!!
And some of you want this fellow to be your President? What he is saying is MUCH, MUCH worse than anything Micelle said!! And I still feel Michelle did not say anything wrong!!

 

totally agree Mr. John McCain his comments, because look what America done to Iraq; after five years of illusion and death, the Iraqis are still left without a state, security, institutions, jobs or services. They are suffering from destitution, despotism, anxiety, displacement and death free of charge.

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Are you forgetting it was McCain and people like him that helped propel this needless war?? Yes, he is as responisible for all the things you list above. He is the one that wants to continue the war in IRAQ for years to come. McCain is a very sad and confused man.

 

proud of america?.. just WHAT does that mean?… there are certain things.. and certain segments that would be tough to be proud of.. certain actions… that would be tough to defend.. and clearly not something to be proud of… so.. for sure.. I for one.. am not totally proud of america.. and yet.. its not really america that Im thinking about.. rather its some bits and pieces that I for one would no longer consider to be part of America….

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Is this really an article? Sure sounds like a lame comparison of quotes by an idiot journalist quoting the other idiots in the mainstream media.

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America Has done some great things, and I sure would rather live here then Egypt. However we do have some people with Blinder’s on around here who don’t care about the difference between rite and wrong as soon as our troop’s are involved. And to whom 80,000 to 1,000,000 dead in Iraq means absolutely nothing . Go salute a flag.

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Proud of ones’ country? Give me a break. Try going to a foreign country and seeing the looks you get when u say you’re an American or the special menu you get,or look at the anti-american graffiti splashed everywhere. This president is not only a moron, he’s a criminal. This is the 1st time in my life that I can truly say that I am ashamed to call myself an American. The damage that has been done can only be undone by someone who truly cares about America and its’ citizens. And that person is not McCain.

 

It’s tough in some respects to be proud of your country. I don’t think this was a hasty answer, but one that took a lot of courage to give. This is obvious by some of the comments made here. For those of you who have posted here that you have “always been proud of America” I would say that I honestly don’t think that is what you meant. I don’t mean to put words in anyone’s mouth, but what I believe you were trying to say is “I have always been proud to be American”. Ofcourse I could be wrong in what I say, but that wouldn’t really suprise me too much. Americans as a nation seem to be quite self deluding. For example the guy who claimed that Mt. Rushmore is the largest manmade monument in the world. Is it just me or can the Great Wall of China be seen from space? You seem to overblow your own importance, and take extreme and sometimes plain bizarre offence when that importance is questoined. The “Freedom Fries” incident is a prime example of this, and the saddest thing is the massive majority of you would now most likely agree with the French and how they acted all those years ago. You seldom do yourselves any favours on the world stage, you call your President the leader of the free world which you must see is laughable, and not just because George Bush occupies the position at the moment. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though. Other world powers have got through their insane arrogance and come out the other side fine, apart from the British (we’re still pretty deluded ourselves) and to be fair you have 2 pretty solid and driven main party candidates. Personally I would probably prefer Obama, but then McCain at the helm would be too bad either. Just remember ya ‘aint as fly as ya think ya are, and chill out.

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Has America made mistakes?…sure. Will they make mistakes in the future?….sure But I am always proud of this country. Because in spite of the faults it is still a great nation. Personally, I don’t like the fact that i have to vote for McCain because Obama is COMPLETELY not acceptable to me. But he is making this very difficult. First the Global Warming speech and now this. McCain continues to cater to the left/moderates and angering the conservatives. If he continues down this path I may stay home because I don’t want either one of them.

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I am not surprized or upset that Mr McCain has said what he said. What surprizes and upsets me is that so many people expect more from the man. The best thing that McCain ever did was to get shot down over Viet Nam. If that had never happened we would not even know his name or care if we did.
All of his political life he has gone which ever way the wind blows and right now he feels the wind blowing towards the left so that is the direction that he is leaning. What can you expect from a Republican that was entertaining the idea of becoming Mr. Swiftboats VP?
Every one has been calling him a maverick for years when in truth he is just the worst kind of professional politician. He is the kind of guy that is willing to say or do anything to achieve his own personal agenda…….More money and more power!
I really feel like thare are two empty suits in this election. But at least Obama is wearing a suit that fits!

 

I don’t understand why people think just because you say America is not perfect you’re not patriotic. It really blows my mind. You sound fanatical. Do you know anything about your history or are you just blinded by ingnorance? This country has done good and bad. Lets please be realistic. And please understand people have different experiences in life that draw them to their conclusions. Just because life in America has been perfect for you doesn’t mean that it has for someone else. And also doesn’t mean they should move to another country if they point out this country’s faults.

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“McCain is trying so hard to reach across the aisle to the independants and democrats that he is going to lose those of us who don’t appreciate him slamming our president.”

The president deserves to be slammed. He is an idiot and incompetent. If his last name weren’t Bush and if his brother weren’t the governor of Florida, there’s no way this moron would’ve been elected president in the first place.

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McCain made a valid point which is why it hypocritical and plain silly to take one sentence Michelle Obama said and run for it. Never including what was said before or after. Just silliness and pettiness.

Neither McCain NOR Michelle should be picked apart for this sentence but of course small minds will continue to do so

 

All those who are drinking the poison of hate spewed forth by the republican party need to answer the question asked and stop doing what they always do when they cannot give an answer to a direct question. Here it is. Why is it different what Macain said from what Mrs Obama said? Now I know this might be hard for hate to adhere to, but please THINK before you type, no hate, just give us a reason to believe you guys has the ability to Think.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5K jo

B. O. Refuses to salute our flag or sing our Anthem. See the actual footage above. McCain should use this footage for one of his powerful ad’s. This speaks volumes to all Americans. He actually said this:
“As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides,” Obama said. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.”

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Rumors and smears is what you are all getting frustrated and mad about. I bet that none of you know the real issues at hand. Poeple, get off this nonsense and get involved in the issue.

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