How the Catholics can overwhelmingly vote for Democrat pro-choice candidates is perplexing. I thought Catholics were pro-life.

Above me pay grade? Is it supposed to be funny that a Democrat can’t take a single stance on anything. This politician is pathetic.

Obama has shown himself to be unworthy of the office of president with his making a joke out of the question put to him. Life is not to be joked about, especially when the Democrats platform is based on the campaign of allowing baby murder they like to refer to as “abortion”.
It is sad that liberals could not bring themselves to allow the killing of a convicted criminal but they have no problem with the grizzly murders of unborn & partially born children.
God help us all if a Marxist like Obama can get elected as president of this great country.

Above my pay grade? Is it supposed to be funny that a Democrat can’t take a single stance on anything. This politician is pathetic!!!

[…] Asked at what point a baby gets “human rights,” Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: “… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question  with specificity … is above my pay grade.” STORY LINK […]

John McCain is 100% prolife. Barack Obama is 100% proabortion. McCain loves babies. But how can Obama prove to me that he loves babies?

Like Hillary said “he had a speech”. That is not the type of answer one would expect out of the potential next leader of the FREE WORLD! Maybe next time!

How ironic: the security word for my post was “love.”

This isn’t an argument about pro-life or pro-choice. This is about whether or not sex is to be had with our without consequences.

Anyone who thinks the right answer is “without” will be returning to the classroom.

This forum tonight was the best I have seen in any campaign. It was completely fair and gave each candidate the chance to speak in a more relaxed atmosphere compared to debates or forums I have seen in the past.
I am a Christian and tonight confirmed for me that my vote will go to John McCain. I had been a little uneasy before tonight’s forum but I feel confident now that McCain has the same values I have especially in regard to the abortion issue.

Abortion is murder, plain and simple. Obama vows to sign the freedom of choice act which is abortion on demand for any reason throughout all nine months of pregnancy and he wants us all to pay for these murders with our tax dollars. Obama also was the head of a comittee in the Illinois senate to where his decision killed a law that protected babies who survived abortion to be carried to a cold hard hospital table and left to die. How can this man claim to know the Author of life when he so strongly promotes death. Is this the kind of president we need or want?

Above his pay grade? Are you kidding me? This man wants to be President of the United States? Get real people. I dont like McCain but Obama is just plain bad news for America

What a cop out by Obama: At what point does a baby get rights is above his paygrade? As President, you should be able to answer that question. He didn”t want to answer the question because he knows life begins at conception. Being voted the MOST liberal senator in all of the senate and courting Christians is not a match made in heaven. Most Christians see him for who he is. If you are strong on values, are pro-gun, pro-life, anti-higher taxes, anti-gay rights, Obama is not for you! Zero Bama = zero substance in my opinion.

Jay Peroni, CFP
Author of The Faith-Based Millionaire
www.jayperoni.com

As a current Senator, especially one seeking the presidency, these questions are “at your pay-grade.” The fact you attempt such a lame dodge only shows Obama to be a political animal who is unwilling to state his position to a crowd he knows finds it unacceptable.
Cowardice.

McCain would relegate women back to the days of back alley abortionists with all of the horrors to women which that represents!

Furthermore, I doubt Republicans will want to expand welfare to care for all of the unwanted children who would be born should McCain and the Republicans have their way in banning abortion!

[…] who won? Obama stumbled badly on the “when does a baby’s human rights begin” as he avoided answering. I thought […]

I’m not sure that Barack, who has a 100% pro-abortion voting record, is truly being honest about his stance. He’s being political.

How can somebody – especially a person who identifies himself as a Christian – be adamantly against any restrictions even on partial-birth abortion?

This deeply saddens and grieves me.

[…] On Abortion – Obama says he is “pro-choice” but anti-abortion. Obama says he is against late-term abortions, but his record shows otherwise. Gateway Pundit has an excellent entry on Obama’s gruesome abortion record. Also, Obama says that this question is above his pay grade! […]

Ah! Whatever! Neither deserve it. One less than the other, and only because of the marx1st tendencies.

This was quite strange. All a Republican has to say in the OC to get applause is “Ronald Reagan.” And of course, McCain milked it for all it was worth. His answers were quick and full of wrath. The last thing we need is eight more years of a man like that. Pat Buchanan was right – McCain is three times WORSE than Bush ever dreamed of being. If you had told me a year ago that I would decid two months before the election to vote for Obama, I wouldn’t have believed you. Now, I see it as the only Christian option.

Perhaps Obama can get his bosses like Sorros and Brumberg to answer the question then. Paygrade – being the president of the US is not about pay. It’s about morally leading our country in the right direction.

Does he realize that yet? Oh he thinks that $200,000.00 a year is really $20,000,000. Aside from history he doesn’t know what a decimal point in a number is either.

This forum contrasted age and wisdom, and youth and inexperience. Obama is a silver tounged, McCain has depth.

What does a “community organizer,” do?

why not just give a straight answer……you will have to be able to do this as President…..

ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE???? What job is he running for? I guess I misunderstood. I thought that the prez got to appoint judges who oversee EXACTLY this question.

why not just give a straight anwser? You have to be able to do this as President…..

Hey Barack, the whole job is above your paygrade! Sheeesh, can’t answer anything straight. Just say it, “it’s a human at birth, I just don’t care if you kill it or not, just vote for me.”

I believe that Obama showed that he is able to speak well, but all of the “uhs” and looking across and down in a sort of “haughty” way.
McCain was the statesman that he is known to be. the fact that he has given his life for his country, is proof of that.
It also, was a wonderful way to have a civil “conservation”, without the liberal press, asking “loaded questions.”
There should be more like this. Naylyn Dill

MCCAIN MADE OBAMA LOOK LIKE HE WAS RUNNING FOR CLASS PRESIDENT

“above my pay grade”…..errr…..ok
Not a good utterance from BHO. That’s the type of phrase an “LLE” (low level employee) uses.
Will he later say he, “misspoke”?

I found both senators likable and articulate. However, I think Obama’s demeanor seemed to be much more honest and thoughtful when addressing the complicated issues that we face in politics today. So often Mccains answers were black and white and dodged the deeper issues in play.

Nobama. What a weasel.

“Above his pay grade”. After McCain beats Barak HUSSEIN Obama in November, that question will fortunately remain “above his pay grade” for a long time to come.

Too bad Barak HUSSEIN Obama didn’t consider his vote, while serving in the Illinois legislature, in favor of infanticide, to also be “above his pay grade”. The chosen vote was definitely above his intelligence.

Unfortunate that McCain and Obama’s first meeting is with a group who votes based on fairy tale beliefs.

Liberals like Obama approve killing innocent babies, yet they disapprove executing murderers. How these people reconcile these two positions is a mystery. Maybe Obama could shed some light on this contradiction. I suspect that he would sidestep this as he sidestepped the question of when life begins.

A society which kills its unborn will eventually progress to infanticide. We are seeing this now with late term abortions wherein a viable baby is first killed in the womb, then extracted dead. From there it isn’t hard to start euthanizing the old, the insane, the disabled, Catholics, Jews, liberals, etc. Hitler’s eugenics and the concomitant holocaust were the direct result of this utter contempt for human life.

Liberals like Obama choose to remain ignorant of history. Those who choose to remain ignorant of history will be cursed to repeat it. As such, Obama is one philosophical step away from the callous and shallow disregard for humanity exhibited in the Twentieth Century by the Nazis. Obama isn’t a bad man. He is simply a weak man devoid of principle.

Funny that this would be the headline. My headline would be empty suit vs gravitas. I admit that Obama has a future in politics that might someday take him to the white house, but he is far from that now. He mistakenly stated that abortions have not come down, when the are at the lowest rate since 1974 (according to the Guttmacher Inst., the information wing of Planned Parenthood)

He then went on to state that his most significant step across the isle to support legislation that went against self interest was the McCain Feingold Campaign Reform Act. Except that, he ended up voting against it.

I’m also happy to see that he is against evil, but his definition concentrated on Rwanda and the streets of Chicago. Never even mentioned Islamic Extremists. Hopefully, the folks who thought Obama was a fresh face learned tonight that he is a bit too fresh, and no different than those who have gone before him.

Credit to Obama and McCain for not ducking or weaving. That was impressive. Obama was not quite as clear about his stands, but he didn’t change the subject to avoid letting us all know he doesn’t have clear-cut thinking on many issues.

How slippery of “The One”. Truth is he voted multiple times to permit an infant that survives an abortion to be murdered outside the womb. How compassionate is that?

Above my pay grade??? What a pathetic answer…Obama is smoke and mirrors, absolutely no substance.

Here’s a big difference between the two candidates: Had Pastor Warren asked McCain and Obama, “If Jesus were on earth today, would he support a woman’s right to choose abortion?”… McCain would clearly and confidently have answered “NO.” Obama would not have answered the question. He would have come up with something else to talk about but he certainly would not have been so foolish as to answer “Yes.” Yet that must be what he believes.

As usual, Obama hides his true stance. He is more interested in getting elected than letting Americans know who he is or what he stands for beyond his vague feel-good statements that nobody can disagree with.

The old saying is still true: If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.

How in the world does Obama believe that he can’t deliver an answer to this question? Science has proven life begins at conception. That conception is the start of a unique DNA never to be seen in the universe again. Each one of us is special and as I believe created in God’s image. This is a fundamental right as stated in the Declaration of Independence “that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights., that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness…? Jefferson and the Continental Congress unanimously voted for this document that declared are rights and liberties are derived from God, not by government! A human being in the womb is human….it’s kinda hard to have liberty and pursuit of happiness without first preserving the right to life.

Obama is a wimp! He should have directly answered the question!

Obama – uncomfortable; parsing;
McCain – direct; prepared

If this is how the debates are going to go… McCain wins by a lot

Yah, life begins at conception. Obama has an A+ Rating from the biggest pro-abortion group in the nation; Planned Parenthood, on his voting record in the senate. That tells me all I need to know. McCain is nowhere close to my favorite conservative candidate. But at least he does have a very long pro-life voting record on abortion. To me, this issue is the single biggest voting issue. If you’re not pro-life, I will not vote for you. So this year, Obama loses my vote and McCain gains it. Simple.

The guy’s running for the highest office in the land….how can a question as simple as that be above his “pay grade”? At least from the theological perspecitve, there is no discussion needed. A life is a life is a life…From a legal aspect it is the same in my opinion, however I understand others’ perspective on the subject, but, nonetheless, Obama has to make decisions at that level. I think he was just lying because he needs the votes from the religious side. He knows that he’s fine with abortion, he’s just afraid to say it.

That Obama is a real cut up. He has a hard time giving a direct answer to any question. If he’d been at a planned parenthood rally what would his answer have been?

He should’ve been pressed on capitol punishment. Drawing the parallel between an innocent life and a convicted murder.

[…] Obama says the question of when babies obtain human rights is “above his pay grade.” This has to be one of the very most ill-advised things any major candidate has said, thus far in the election cycle. Even aside from the fact that it probably unsettles people throughout the spectrum of opinions on abortion, it’s not very presidential. […]

That Mccain is sure full of stories. Wonder when he’s going to answer a question? And wonder if Pastor Rick will requiere he does. Somehow he allowed him to rant and rave about unrelated issues. He actually did a bit of politics tonight. Kinda love that non-christian, christian bunch of people.

B. Hussein Obama dodged many questions, including the Abortion one. When asked about evil, he couldn’t resist citing evil in America and the idea that we are being evil in how we respond to evil….B HUssein did not name Al-Queda or islamic jihadists as evil. Unlike McCain

Answering that question is not above the pay grade of the president of the United States. The next president will likely appoint several supreme court justices who will make that decision.

Obama’s inexperience shines through once again.

Here’s a perfect example of liberal bias. Notice there are no “liberal” evangelicals. Only “centrists” and “conservatives.”

This crap about “reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions, etc.” is only about creating a new government program which will hire otherwise unemployable individuals to tell people to wear condoms.

Obama supports abortion up to and including the day of delivery. The sad part of this is that McCain is such a weak candidate that rather than go on the attack he defends. McCain makes Bob Dole look like Ronald Reagan. He has no fire. It’s pathetic.

I thought McCain cleaned Obama’s clock tonight. The crowd was very into McCain and that helps him as he’s the lasting image. For Barack, it’s the usual, um, oh, well, answers that muddle what’s really the content of what he’s trying to say.

David Gergen from CNN who I’ve always thought was very much democrat leaning (even though he served both republicans and democrats) said that if tonight is any indication, McCain is going to be a much more formidable challenger than anyone thought in the debates.

I am glad to see some of the typical pointed questions of a forum such as this can be put into context so well. If you have a voting record for 25 years of anti abortion/Pro life legislation and the number of abortions have been going up for the past 25 years maybe we should be going about this a different way.

After this forum I think Obama is addressing the real issue here, unwanted pregnancy.

Obama voted for letting a baby die through neglect if that baby is unwanted. As much as I dislike McCain this is a no brainer. Obama’s mouth piece on OReilly said Obabma suports abortion because Jesus would. I would like to know what translation of the Bible Obama was reading and what he was smoking or snorting at the time of that revelation.

Obama’s response to the question about when a baby gets human rights, has by far, GOT to be one of the stupidest, cop-out comments I have ever heard!!! And this man thinks he is qualified to be our Commander in Chief. Unbelievable.

What to say, Obama is good with a script but he is shallow and not up to his A game without. The article points out his extremely poor and disingenous answer to the abortion question but when asked about a “gut wrenching” decision all he had was something that would affect him politically maybe. I also noted that he equivicated about what to about evil but spent more time trying to say that we (the United States) has evil in it. I have to give this to McCain. He knows where he stands and is not afraid to say it. McCain also has a record to prove that he believes what he says.

Just watched McCain and Obama.

McCain kicked butt!

McCain brought it home and did wonderful. Direct. Honest. Forthright.

Obama–geez, pussy footed around, and what a huge blunder with his lame excuse of “that’s above my pay grade” when answering a question about abortion. Hey dude: you’re running for the most powerful job in the world–no question is “above your pay grade.”

How did I grade them?

McCain: A+
Obama C-

Are you kidding?????? Above his paygrade????? Presidents are paid to have convictions. And answers to fundamental questions from within the culture of the people they seek to serve. What an idiot!!!!!!

[…] about Obama’s performance in Rick Warren’s debate. I would like to draw attention to this part of that. Did you know a similar exchange occurred in the Bible? The context may be different but it […]

Honestly folks, is this the most important issue facing us this year? Record deficits, oil shocks, the continuing swamp of Iraq, another quarter of rising inflation and shrinking average incomes, job losses, and a complete and utter lack of respect for the United States around the world. And we’re still talking about abortion?

Why don’t we talk about taking care of the born? Why don’t we talk about avoiding the useless war John McCain is so cavalierly committing our troops to fighting?

Abortion is a detestable thing, EVERYONE agrees. However, until we live in a world where women are no longer raped, it must remain. For now, we should focus on decreasing the number of abortions, rather than using the issue as a wedge to divide people and distract us from the real business of rehabilitating our economy, transforming our energy policy, extracting our military from an endless conflict, and taking care of the people who have ALREADY been born, and are suffering as we speak.

The evangelicals demand the right to express and maintain their beliefs. Why can’t they allow other people that same right? How far away are they really from other world religions who preach that political behavior must match their theocratic tenants? Our nation was founded on separation of church and state; let’s keep it that way! M.J.Smith

[…] too much until I have a chance to read the transcripts, I thought this news report interesting in the contrasts between the two men: DALLAS – U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about […]

It’s above my pay grade. You have to be kidding.I guess his masters over at pro choice and NOW will be happy but everyone else will see it as politics as usual. What other issues are above his pay grade. I guess any issue where he does not want to alienate his core base.

John McCain won the night handsdown! He showed he is a man of conviction. His answers were straight forward while Obama danced around the questions and left you unsure of just where he stood.

Obama voted to let live babies die if they were born alive following an abortion that failed. I can’t see that, as the Democratic Party “softening” the edges of its pro-choice stand by stressing the need to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions — and by also working harder in areas like adoption.
Obama has said the nothing should interfere with a woman getting an abortion at any stage of a baby’s development, and that includes the birth process.
Those who devalue life at the beginning, will devalue life at any age.

[…] Source: blogs.reuters.com […]

McCain kicked Obama’s rear end…..easily

Above his pay grade ? ? ? So is the diswasher position at the local high school.

I am troubled by Barack’s support for the partial-birth procedure.

A large number of pro-choice politicians answer that they don’t know when life begins. If that’s the case, though, wouldn’t it make sense to err on the side of caution, and hold that it begins at conception? If you’re wrong, then you’ve unnecessarily made a million women a year carry a pregnancy to term. If you’re right, though, you’ve saved a million lives. While it’s not an easy thing to ask a woman to carry a baby for nine months, it certainly doesn’t compare to killing. After the increased evidence of pre-birth life, it’s not very logical for politicans and the Democratic Party as a whole to keep following an extreme pro-choice agenda. It’s time they wake up and follow the will of the 80% of Americans that want tighter restrictions on abortion.

Obama is a typical Chicago politician. If he were truly a man of faith, instead of some opportunistic man who sits idly by while his “reverend” shouts out hate-speech, then he would answer the question that is in his heart. Or maybe he did and we are seeing a glimpse of this “savior”–a typical politician.

Unbelievable. To respond to one of the most controversial subjects in in politic today as it is “above my pay-grade” should automatically disqualify him from seeking this office! A President has to make “life or death” decisions and not to know when life begins seriously questions by belief that Senator O’Bama is a Christian…in the sense that it is not an answer on a biological questionaire. Coupled with his position that he actively opposed legislative attempts to provide comfort to babies who survived abortions.

Moreover, he basically called America a selfish nation. We are the most-giving nation in the history of this planet. Whenever there is a disaster, America is there to give, give and give. We, the citizens, give more money to charitable causes per capita than any other citizens of any nation on this earth. … despite the fact that we pay almost 40 percent of our income in taxes to federal, state and local governments!

Liberals, who believe in the nanny-state government model, just don’t get it! The poverty of the world is caused by ruthless dictators who want to control how we think, how we live, how we think, how we worwhip, what type of work we should do, and what we should eat…. These dictators .. Chavez, Castro, Putin, the Imams of the world, and the ilk are socialist and worse who are only concerned about staying in control and punishing their enemies. These are who O’Bama admires and the type of change he wants to bring to our country.

O’Bama is a recycled and repackaged, left-wing socialist who wants to socialize America, destroy our economy, muzzle disenters, take from those who work and give to those who don’t socialist.

America is strong and the becon of freedom for the oppressed. It offers more opportunity than any nation in the history of the planet. We are free because Freedom is the core of all humam progress. While the price of Freedom may be great, there is not greater costs than the loss of one’s freedom.

McCain is the best choice for defending our freedom and keeping America strong!

If Mr. B Hussein Obama is not of the pay grade to make a judgement on Life or death in babies, then how can he consistently vote FOR abortion both first second third term abortion and Late term abortion. Amazing that his followers will buy into his side stepped remark about abortion but then again is that not how he is running his campaign. Evade Evade Evade the questions and give round about answers.

On the way back from Thailand yesterday, I was discussing these two bozo’s with a coworker (not much else to do between bouts of indifferent service by the airlines). We reached the conclusion that the nicest thing that can be said about JM is that he sucks slightly less than BHO. I never thought it would come down to these two. God Bless America, as it isn’t looking too good right now. The good news is that we survived LBJ and the Clintons, hopefully we can ride out either of these 15 watt bulbs.

[…] Obama on abortion: I don’t make enough money to answer that question. […]

It is ironic that my antispam work is life. When will we stop the holocaust against the unborn? When will we be brave enough to say that these are not blobs but humans that only need time to develop to full maturity. When will we stop killing our own on the alter of “choice?”

*work should be word, of course.

Oh My! What a craven response to a critical question. Obama has no problems with partial birth abortions (infanticide) A pratice so vile that, it’s not taught in American medical schools. To make light of such a life and death issue, shows how Obama is unfit to collect a presidential pay-rate…

Above his pay grade? He is running for the President of the United States of America! How much higher of a pay grade do you want? If the potential Commander in Chief can’t even express his views because he is unsure or willing, then we need someone who can accept the responsibility of that pay grade.

I thought Obama did an excellent job at the forum! Obama is very thoughtful and intelligent! He respects other’s views and does not press his own opinions or views on other’s! Obama showed his christianity unlike McCain who tried to be a jokster, story teller and duck and dodge some issues! McCain was cleary pandering! Obama was much more sincere! I don’t want someone in office that never takes anything serious except for war! If McCain get’s in office we will be doomed!

Above his pay-grade? This man is vying for the highest pay-grade possible, yet, he can’t give an answer? (I disagree with McCain’s answer, but at least he had the courage to have one.) Does he not have an opinion on one of the most divisive subjsects in morality and poltics? Or, is he not willing to give his opinion in public for political reasons, and what kind of man would either question make him? This, combined with Obama’s response to the Baltic crisis, his continual blunders and lack of opinions on other subjects, clearly demonstrates that he is not fit for any office, let alone the one in charge of all others.

It all depends on what the meaning of is,is.

OBAMA STINKS AND GOD HELP US ALL IF HE WINS. HE IS HIDING ALL OF HIS TRUE BELIEFS UNTIL AFTER HE WINS. AT LEAST MCCAIN CAN BE HONEST AND UP FRONT.

For Obama, who has never served in the Armed Forces, to use an expression that is widely used by those who have is ridiculous.

Obama’s paygrade is nothing.

To the actual question he was asked, the answer he should have given if he was HONEST in reflecting his evil views should have been after birth.

He could have went on to elaborate that, this is of course exclusive of a baby that was born alive after a botched abortion, which as we all know Obama believes is a non-person that can be left to die.

answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade…

Weasel. Liar. You know exactly what you would do. Change we can see through.

Obama states “answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.”

I didn’t realize that there is a PAYING JOB that determines whether or not Babies Die.
This is a moral issue and a women’s choice issue not to be taken lightly with a flippin comment from him!
Perhaps Warren should have asked him “How would ypu feel is your wife had aborted your daugthers ?” Would the answer then have been “is above his Pay Grade ?????”

Hopefully all future decisions for the Nation will remain above his pay grade.

Doesn’t Oßama also support forcing a hospital to allow a newborn baby to wither and die if an abortion had been attempted on it previously? That isn’t late-term abortion, that’s post-partum abortion. By that reasoning all invalids should just be left to fend for themselves.

above his pay grade, huh? And what job is it he wants again? Maybe this is a case where we can tell where he stands by his actions. While in the Illinois State Senate, he took to the floor to vote opposition to a bill which would mandate treatment for infants surviving their own abortion. He stated that he believed the child should be killed because that was the mother’s intent. So we know he doesn’t believe life begins even after birth. It is unbelievable to me that anyone would vote for this man

Odd the Little “O” would say that this was “above my pay grade” when he voted 3 time to allow babies to die by not providing medical help after surviving an abortion attempt. I guess his pay grade vassilates according to his voting block. Funny little man that Little “O”. Did I say funny,,yeah if you spell funny “S-C-A-R-E-Y

The Democratic Party’s position is that abortion should be legal because a fetus is just a clump of cells with no human rights.

If the procedure is no different from, say, the removal of an unwanted mole–which is essentially what the argument for legalization is–then why expend resources to reduce its frequency?

What’s new in the liberal camp? Same wholesale support for the “murder” of thousands of babies every day. God will not let the guilty go unpunished. He forgives but this nation will continue to pay the price. Where is the party of Harry Truman?

As I recall, during the primary campaign McAmnesty was asked by a reporter what he would do if his daughter was raped and became pregnant. He said they would seriously discuss having an abortion! Now he tells the evangelicals something completely different. MCPHARISEE hypocrite!

The Delusional Right! Kill 600,000 Iraqis, 3.5 million Vietnamese, incarcerate 2 million Americans for what? But Abortion…oh my god…what a heinous crime. America: 25% alcoholics, 25% people on anti-depressants, 25% delusional christians and 100% brainwashed, in-debt and out of their minds. One nation under surveillance with urine tests and wire taps for all.
God Bless America…and all the used car salesmen evangelists…what a joke.

BHO never gives a substantive answer, he ALWAYS “beats around the bush”, which is a sign of DECEPTION. Use your own gift of logic from there.

Unfortunately, more and more it appears that even being President is ABOVE Obama’s paygrade. See ya in November Barrack HUSSEIN Obama….. 😎

Obama tap-dances while McCain is straight to the point. I’d say that just about wraps it up.

unbelievable.

Barack could not say that life begins at conception-if he did how could he jusify the destrucion of a human life. Even if Barack believes life begins at conception-he will not publicley say so. Is all one has to do is look at his voting record on the issue of abortion to know what he is all about.

So Obama cannot bring himself to say a baby even partially out of the birth canal has no human rights. Scary! Forgive me for being a one position voter but this tells me all I need to know about Obama.

Get the press out of the picture and let a common sense pastor take over and WOW you really get to see who these candidates running for president are. This turned out to be a great forum. I am pro-choice but after hearing 40 million abortions have taken place since Roe V Wade does make me think twice. As Pastor Warren stated this would be considered a Holocaust. Also, double checked and Obama stated under the Bush admin abortions are up. He is wrong and should check his responses before stated non fact. Abortions are down under this administration. Please if speaking deliver true facts, candidates.

A pathetic respone by BO but the best he could do given his radical voting record, i.e. abortion anytime for any reason or no reason. Worse, if the child manages to survive the attempted murder, err abortion, then BO supports letting the baby die of neglect.

It was not so long ago that someone with these radical views would be shunned and treated as a moral leper. Today there are a substantial number of brain dead “Christians” who will actually vote for this fanatic. The end is near.

Obama does not want to state his known position on abortion. He may be trying to win over evangelicals but he surely will not change his pro abortion stance at the risk of infuriating his liberal base. Why he even voted in support of killing babies that were born despite an attempted abortion! He talks about helping the disadvantaged. Who is more helpless than a child left to die?

“… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.” — True

Despite that admission, Obama has consistently promoted the wanton destruction of innocent babies; including the Illinois case where he sued to kill child after it survived a failed abortion attempt.

His views on abortion are very similar to those implemented by totalitarian Germany in the 1930’s. (and China today)

McCain seemed to be rushing, especially in the first quarter of it, to
get out his answers he had rehearsed. Then he said that weird thing
about “when are you getting to the justices question?”

That was what really convinced me. He slipped up. He was given the
questions in advance.

If the answer is “above his pay grade” then Obama has just declared himself unable to perform the duties of the Presidency.

Did anyone notice on the CNN coverage when Pastor Warren leaned over
to Obama following a commercial break to tell him he hit a “home run”
on his response to a question regarding tax brackets.

Somebody please tell me they noticed this besides us!

Posted by: Joe Lanane | via danny bloom

Abortion is NOT a Contitutional government issue. If you dont like abortions then DONT HAVE ONE!!!

SOooo damn tired of hearing this when SOooo many other important issues NEVER get discussed!!!

STRIVE to be SMARTER than a demopublican and realize that AMERICA was NEVER meant to be a controlled ‘2 party’ system!

[…] scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.” — Barack Obama, on abortion during a televised forum with “mega-pastor” Rick […]

beautiful mccain…welcome to the whitehouse

Thats a nice way of sidestepping the question Osama. Cant you just take a stand on anything?

While I like senator Obama and admire his accomplishments the paygrade comment uderscores his lack of experience in leadership and underscores that he isn’t quite ready. His pay grade is the top pay grade for leading the free world. Senator, that answer isn’t good enough.

once again mr obama comes out with a cutsy response…if answering this question is above his pay grade, so being the main man at the wh is above him…no spine on these guy…how’s he going to handle these tough guys in the political stage? ‘sorry maan, that ain’t in my job description?’…a poseur who looked very bad last night without the staged audience and a teleprompter in front…

Senator Obama’s answer to the question may have been catchy, eloquent… perhaps even honest. What always frustrates me is that such answers do not invite the logical follow-up question. The abortion debate is probably the most emotional and divisive one in American politics. There are several issues, of course, that invite debate. The question here, and Obama’s answer, are the dividing line in this debate. At what point is a human being a human being?
Most pro-lifers adamantly declare conception to be the answer. Regardless of whether one agrees with their resultant opinions, they are at least consistent. Some (most?) pro-choicers declare one is not human until they are born and viable outside the womb. Again, agree or not, the resultant opinions from this view are logically consistent.
Then there’s the “no one knows when life begins” crowd, most of whom seem to be pro-choice. I’ll take the Senator’s word that he believes this knowledge to be beyond us. But I would immediately ask him this question: How then can you advocate abortion? In his case, how can he possibly defend late-term and partial-birth abortion if by his own admission it could be the killing of a viable human worthy of the right to life?
I originally saw myself as pro-choice. I was so precisely because I did, and still do, answer questions such as Warren’s the same way Obama did. I don’t know the answer. I fully recognize that the beginning human life (and rights) can be defined somewhere other than at the two extremes usually put forth in the debate. I realized, however, that because I could not define that point scientifically or morally I also could not advocate killing a fetus.
The debate gets mired in euphemisms on both sides, and we lose sight sometimes of what we are debating. Abortion is most definitely the killing of something. If one can honestly believe that a fetus, any fetus, is NOT a human being then a pro-choice stance is defensible. If one cannot do that, as Obama has stated he cannot, then logically one cannot advocate abortion as their position becomes ‘it might not be murder.’

If taking a stand on abortion is above Obama’s pay grade, so , I’m afraid is the persidency of this country.

Above his pay grade! All political questions are above his pay grade. That’s why they call them “junior senators”. He wants the highest office in the world. I hope he can answer the tough questions. I want to see his resume!!! Being a lawyer does not qualify in being a leader. Dems should mute the speches and look to see what he did for Chicago. People should look at his associates. You are what you do, not what you say, and you are who you hang out with.

“Above my pay grade???” Isn’t that like voting “present” in the Illinois legislature? How many times will a President Obama vote “present” rather than take a tough stance on behalf of the American people?

It’s only when we have politicians who believe that each and every person is important, that we will leave the mentality of slavery. Slavery was allowed because some were thought to be less than others. Pro life gives us all hope.

THAT WASN’T THE ONLY TIME OBAMA DISPLAYED HE WAS IN ABOVE HIS “PAY GRADE”.HE HEMMED AND HAWED ON MANY QUESTIONS WHILE McCAIN’S ANSWERS WERE CRISP AND PRECISE! THAT SHOW DEMONSTRATED THE VAST DIFFERENCES IN EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES.

Obama just can’t answer a question, especially one that he knows would sink him. Obama is a socialist, pure and simple who supports abortion rights, ESPECIALLY late term abortions. I love it how the media trys to paint him as a centrist; but he is as far left as you can be.STOP THE OBAMA EXPRESS

There was no substance to O’Bama.

If that question is above Obama’s “pay grade”, then perhaps he isn’t ready to move up a “pay grade”!

It was a flippant answer to a serious question. The office of President of the United States is probably beyond his pay grade as well.

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Above his pay grade? This guy continues to demonstrate that he has no theology and philosphy he is not willing to openly reveal to the American people. He is a trojan horse whether he knows it or not. He is the wrong person to be the President of the United States. Before you vote for him…please listen carefully to what he says and review his record. My grandson Tyler is depending on it.

John McCain is obsessed with war. If where were no war I think he would create one- just to be in battle. Go figure as long as it isn’t his or the Bushes blood that is being shed for this war of greed they don’t have souls.

I dont trust him to run this country. People are laughing at his threats to Russia. Hell, we can’t threaten anybody right now with military or sanctions. We don’t have a soldier available because McCain and the Bushes have them committed in Iraq..

Other countries are laughing at us. We have lost our credibility. China is calling the shots because of the massive loans…

Good job, John! Finally some Straight Talk Express right when we genuine social and fiscal conservatives need to see it! Obama’s duck and weave is typical of the pro-abortion crowd when they are trying to dupe the so-called “moderates”. The Democrat’s platform statement on abortion is NOT getting a wit more moderate. It merely acknowledges the “choice” to let a precious baby live if the mom sees fit. Not a meaningful change at all. Abortion remains the ultimate child abuse, and candidates that support child abuse are disqualified regardless of their position on other issues.

What a coward; Obama should be proud of who he is and stand by his record of absolutely no limits on abortions at any stage, including after it is botched and the baby has a premature live birth If you cannot stand up for your own record then you are a no good politician… just like nearly all the other ones in the US Senate.

It’s “above my pay grade” to state his position? Obama simply avoided stating his position. That’s Obama. But his record on the right to life is perfectly clear: the state determines who has the right to life. With this as a premise, what good are any other human rights?

This guy is dangerous, period.

Obama…a new kind of politics, yet he still can’t give a straight answer to a basic question.

McCain is not anti-abortion. He just wants to have sufficent future co-signers for his increased national debt.

Obama’s response was more wavering by a “poser” who is trying to appeal to everybody while covering his true position. He disgusts me.

Obama said “Above his pay grade??
Does that mean if we pay him more money he will decide how moral he is?

I’ll stay with the “Life at conception” argument and I don’t need more money to believe it.

It’s not just above Obamas’ pay grade. It is above his spiritual awarness. To him pregnancy is a sexually transmitted disease. If the available chemicals that are used to muck up the female biology don’t work, then it is just goop that is being aborted. Even when the goop comes out kicking and screaming it is still just goop. Young couples on the T.V. ads promoting some chemical that is intended to lessen the effects of some muck that has infested their biology still claim that their lives will not be changed. Heck, they will be glad to even share it with you. It ain’t all that bad. Sex is the golden bull in Ameica. My Father used to say, ‘Son, when you mess with the bull you get the horn.’ How true.

Answering a question about abortion is above his pay grade….and this guy would have the nuclear button. Not with my vote!

First, Obama backed out of the townhall debates–except one on July 4th when no one would be watching. Kind of like Edwards’s interview on Nightline on the opening night of the Olympics.
After last night, Obama may try go into a complete four-corners stall and back out of the debates. Sorry, libs, but your guy is going into his convention limping. Without even facing McCain head-to-head, he got manhandled. I think even Warren started turning on him and began enabling McCain by the end because he saw his book sales plunging if he were perceived as backing a candidate as loathsome as Obama.

In the Sunday reviews, you’ll know that McCain crushed Obama because the MSM will remark over and over how well BOTH candidates did. But we all know what happened. That giant sucking sound was Obama’s candidacy going down the toilet.

Spin on, libs. I think the considerable number of fencesitters saw in spades their choice–and their choice has to be McCain.

Above his pay grade, what a fool. It’s quite likely that Barry, if he becomes president, will be faced with similar questions. What excuse will he use then?

Obama is running for the highest office in the world and he can’t answer a simple question. Obama may be eligible to run for president but he is not qualified to be president.

Great job- John McCain.
You had it all going in your faver.
Obaama look like a zomie & his answers were worse. he didn’t have his telepropter to polish his performance.
I hope the liberals can see what a fool OB made made of himself last night.

If this question is above Obama’s paygrade, then he’s just admitted to being unqualified for the Presidency. He wants to be leader of the strongest country in the Free-World, so no question of national importance should be “above his paygrade”. Take a stand Obama. Be a leader.

What else is above his paygrade? Iraq? Russia? Iran? The economy? Take a look folks. Organizing communinty events in Chicago and 143 days as US Senator is not enough experience to lead our country in the most difficult time our country has experienced.

Try again in 2012, Obama, when you have reached a higher “paygrade” of experience.

This man is not ready for prime time!!!!! He absolutely CANNOT (130 votes recorded at = “present”) commit to anything slightly controversial. Well, just let me say this: IT IS NOT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE to answer this question and I am on a very minimal monthly income.

I suppose the question was one of Obama’s famous “DISTRACTIONS”!!! Yupe…..a sincere and truthful answer just might “distract”, dissuade, deter, discourage, etc. some voters from pulling the lever for this poor, minimum-wage worker..Senator Obama!!!!

Obama is a spineless coward – can’t answer a simple straight forward question for fear of losing potential votes. For his it is all about winning the election and he’ll say anything he needs to – to anyone- to obtain his objectives.

Do you really think he can stand toe to toe with the Thugs of the world?

Typical weasel answer. Choosing Obama was a BIG MISTAKE!

Above his pay grade? Why does Obama need a “pay grade” raise to answer a question about human rights for a human baby? How about the fact that he is running for President of the United States? What other answers are above his pay grade, and what about more complicated decisions that come with the presedency? Are we going to hear that those answers, too, are above his pay grade? Shrill.

So is everything is that matters!

Mr. Obama is pro-abortion, and now demonstrates himself to be a coward and not admit it. Why? Because he knows most of the country now knows what abortion really is — murder of innocent children.

At least McCain remains true to his anti-abortion convictions. Obama is again playing the politician- he has supported termination of life even if a fetus is born alive (hence, a baby). Why can’t he simply be truthful instead of trying to conceal his long standing beliefs in this area (and others as well)?

Obama looked like a sleeze with his smirk and cool demeaner. His body language showed that most things he was saying was made up as he went and to me that says he was trying to say things to make who he was talking to happy.

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”. I suspect with a high degree of surety that God’s position on abortion is firm and leaves no room for moral debate. Therefore, this decision would be solely that of “Caesar’s”, or in this case Obama’s, who has elected to pass the buck rather than make a moral judgment. No, there’s nothing clever or coy about this remark . . . it’s simply a cowardly copout.

Weasel is as weasel does. He also slammed Clarence Thomas as being “not strong enough a jurist or legal thinker”. How would you know Mr 143 days of Senate experience?

To hell with these worthless, aimless, characters! I refuse to vote for either one of them! This Conservative Republian is writing in Newt Gingrich for President on my ballot. Newt is not a “none of the above” choice. Rather he is the only one for leadership and an administration with vision. The democrats view him with considerable disdain. They view anyone with fresh thinking as an idealogue. That is simple to understand when you consider that democrats have no fresh ideas of their own. John McCain is a good man. But the problem is that he is lacking in vision and leadership qualities. He alwsays pursues a strategy rather than a vision of his own.

Obama’s sidestepping the abortion question is to me such a cowardly response. After all he has the most anti-life record in the senate, and that is saying a lot. His statement at the beginning about how we treat the least among us (referring to the poor) was such an obvious opening for Rick to ask about his voting to keep from giving medical care for babies who survived an abortion. How cruel can you get? And he is for the poor? How ‘least’ can you get than a helpless baby who just happened to be concieved at the wrong time? I admire any man who stands up for the unborn, and of course their mothers who are usually forced or co-erced into abortion. Think how much easier John Edwards life would be right now if his girlfriend had ‘chosen’ abortion. I am praing for McCain, especiall concerning the Supreme Court.

Of course Obama neatly side steps the “when does life begin” question; he’s supported late term abortions like no one else- there’s your answer on his views.

women who believe in choice …all womens rights to health benifits..equal pay and on and on now is the time to stand with obama.
men if you have a mother ..sister..or daughter..it is also a call for you!

Obama was all style and glib gibberish. McCain was all blunt substance, no equivocation!

I don’t understand the term ‘above his pay grade’. I am confused. He is not going to tell us until we elect him president? Why would he duck that question! It was an easy question… I didnt have questions, but now I do…
And McCain, he needs to back off the ‘at conception’. This isn’t ireland, most evangelicals believe life begins at implantation. Otherwise, birth control would be just wrong. Besides, that wasn’t even the question.
Why can’t they just say what we all believe- human rights begin the moment the baby lives independantly from it’s mother. However, when life begins, thats a whole nuther ballgame.

What a wishy washy non-answer from Obama. I’m just glad he admitted he’s not qualified to address issues like abortion with specifics, which I would conclude means inability to promore or oppose legislation or supreme court justices. When are people going to call him for specifics not empty “its a ethical issue” answers. No kidding its ethical and moral but where does he specifically stand? I can only assume from his “above my paygrade” answer that his choice is the unethical and immoral choice. Sad.

Obama is a weasel, he is the most pro-abortion Senator in the Senate, he even voted against the rights of a child who survives a partial-birth abortion, he is trying to have it both ways and should not be able to get away with it. His radical pro-abortion views deserve no support from people of faith and his unwillingness to come clean about his views exhibit his untrustworthiness.

He could have opted out for adoption and gotten more votes. Saying that it is up to God to decide is a cop out.

NObama knows when life begins, knows that a woman has a right to choose. BUT that the choice is made BEFORE the legs are spread. Once the child is alive it has more right to live than it’s MOTHER has to kill it.

I’m not even Christian, or religious for that matter.

Vote for real choice – revolver or semi-auto. yugo or SUV

Most people would be in favor of saving the life of a baby born alive after an abortion. Obama voted against a bill that would save a baby born alive after an abortion which answers the question about when Obama would afford human rights to an unborn baby. Answer: never, making Obama an extremist when it comes to being pro abortion and out of sync with the majority of Americans, I would say even the world. Obama’s extremists views on abortion tells you a lot about Obama’s moral code and judgment. I would go so far to say that most Americans do not want someone in the White House who appears to be in favor of infanticide.

This is incredible! Not WRIGHT for America has been dogging Obama to answer this exact question about when a baby has rights, since Obama does not even believe they have rights upon birth (hence he opposed the Infants Born Alive Protection Act). So when is it, Obama?

It seems that the people above his pay grade here are Planned Parenthood, who he answers to on this issue.

This guy is a Harvard-trained lawyer, but can’t answer a simple legal question?

The writers of the Declaration of Independence had no problem answering this, “all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.” Obama ought to read it sometime–or maybe it is above his pay grade.

RINO McCain was spot on with his response here, but is considering placing pro-choice Ridge as his VP. Everytime I start to warm up to him, he does, or publicly considers doing something to turn away the base. The latest? The possibility that we’ll have a Democrat as his VP. I love Lieberman, but not as my party’s VP!

It appears to me that for obama to answer any question with “specificity” is above his pay grade. His qualifications are almost minimum wage.

I was most interesting to watch the eye contact,or lack thereof as well as the general body language. Who best can stand up to Putin,”when we look in his eyes we see KGB”.
Who do you think you would do business on a handshake with?
J.R.
TEXAS Cattleman

Obama’s correct — it is above his pay grade. The presidency is too.

I watched the entire show. Felt J. McCain’s answers were sincere and fell in line with my convictions. Obama;s answers didn’t always fall in line with his voting record, i.e. his answer concerning caring for people in need, (as I relate that to abortion), he hasn’t in the past felt the need to vote for the surviving baby of an abortion to get medical care.

Obama will raise my taxes. I pay enough. Government needs to spend more carefully.

Sincerely,

Knowing Obama’s record with a real life case of supporting a babies death, while out of the “womens body”,after an unsuccessful abortion, maybe his elusive answer should have been- Life begins when a baby learns how to speak and can say the words I AM A LIFE AND DO NOT WANT TO BE KILLED!

If the abortion question is “above paygrade”, then so is the Presidency above his pay grade.

If it’s above his pay grade to say whether or not life begins at conception, then what is he doing saying that to kill an unborn baby is OK?! And go check out Jill Stanek’s testimony about how when he was confronted with the fact that at a certain hospital in the State where he was a Senator, Illinois, they were allowing babies that survived being aborted to be left to die in the utility room. Nurse Stanek was fired from her job for going to the head of the hospital about it. She then testified before a hearing at which Obama was the head of, and he said it would be UNCCONSTITUTIONAL to NOT allow it!!! He then accused the nurse of wanting to do away with Roe v. Wade! What a jerk! And you want this creep to be our President?!

To answer that a question is above your “pay grade” is to attempt to push the responsibility for having an answer to the question on someone else.

Is he not qualified to think for himself?

It’s not rocket science, it’s a moral and philosophical question that everyone should think about.

If Obama is going to push his view and back legislation in relation to abortion, he should have an answer to that question that he can explain in a thoughtful manner.

“Above my pay grade” is no excuse for backing murder.

In God’s eyes, no child is not wanted. Life does begin at conception, which makes abortion wrong. If Obama was a true Christian he would realize this.

Jesus said to give on to Caesar what is Caesar’s and give on to God what is God’s. Jesus kept them separate, He did not combine the two.

As a “true” Christian you first, follow God’s word and then follow the law’s of man. So, a Christian can not except abortion as Obama does

Whether it is about the human rights of the unborn or blatent aggression by Russia, Obama’s response always equivocal. “Maybe this, maybe that… I don’t know (above my pay grade)… both parties are at fault and need to be nice… Let’s just get together and talk…”.

Judging from the sexist campaign that the Obama machine ran against Clinton in the primaries, I would say that the US Presidency is above his pay grade as well.

Obama is a presidential intern.

So Obama wants to be president? And then will his “pay grade” be sufficient to answer difficult questions? Or should we judge him now on his unwillingness to answer questions? What an Empty Suit. Whether your pro-life or pro-abortion rights, this fool should at least be required to answer question. When will the 45% of Americans that like this guy wake up?

above his pay grade??? what $*&#??? he’s running for the most powerful position in the world. answer the question OBUMMER!!! you are a disgrace to call yourself a Christian, you insult the very word! Kudos for McCain.

OBUMMER is unraveling as he speaks!

This man is without a soul. He needs someone to tell him when life begins? He is also a coward, fearful to stand on principle for anything. I take that back, he is not afraid to take a stand against the voiceless and the powerless. Shameful!

“Above my paygrade”? Are you kidding me? I wonder what other issues, that are important to the American people, are above his paygrade. Is the Presidency above his paygrade as well?

He did not side step the question, he told the truth. An unborn child’s life is truly in God’s hands. Eternally above his pay grade. I am a mother of four high risk pregnancies. And each time I have to come to terms with the fact that the life inside me does not belong to me, but to God only. My baby is in God’s Hands. Barak Obama knows that an unborn child is in the balance between heaven and earth… this is an issue that involves God, mother, and child – Not some mere man. I think when he says “above his pay grade” he is trying to convey that this is not an issue for the government to decide. This is the stuff of Personal Spiritual Warfare and the government cannot go there – not even if they try. Just as some could say a doctor who provides abortion is playing God; a government who controls a woman’s body and the life growing inside the woman’s body is also playing God. As parents, we are accountable for our children of course under God’s authority. It’s not merely murder to lose an unborn child when the mother knows she will not be able to provide what God intended when he gave us life and the power to create life. It is a profound loss. But so is an abused and neglected unwanted child. So is an orphan trapped in a system that is incapable of true love. So are parents who are lost under a burden they cannot bear. So is a world with an all but forgotten population of orphans. And we all no that a president cannot make abortion just go away, legal or not. Only God can do that. We can commit to being God’s Servants. But if we criminalize and demonize abortion, then we immediately make it much harder to reach out to those who need our help in creating a world where abortion no longer exists. And Jesus will have to come back to finalize that. Barack Obama knows he is no Jesus Christ. He can only humbly follow the teachings of Jesus. And yet some conservatives try to blast him and portray him as portraying himself as Christ. Well, in that case I am sure he would be doing all he could to raise these unwanted babies from the dead and loving them in his open arms. He is only human and he knows it! COME ON! He gave a very human and humble answer to a question concerning the mysteries of life and death.

Obama did himself no favor by honestly admitting that neither he nor anyone else knew when life begins. McCain was more demagogic and therefore he will win.

Coward. Not too shy to kill babies. Just too shy to admit it. Oh, sorry, he is just going to PICK the people that are going to reaffirm a “constitutional right” to kill babies. Don’t kid yourself. Everyday “failed abortions” are put on a table in the laundry room of hundreds of hospitals and clinics and left –sometimes for 8 to 10 hours to DIE. Unheld, unloved, alone. This “man” makes a joke about it.

Obama seems to have forgotten that the controlling issue on when life begins is governed by law. As a paid US Senator he is expected to cast a vote on on relevant legislation, therefore it is within his pay grade. I believe he has already cast those votes which shows he does not believe that even after birth life has begun and that it is still the mothers right to terminate the childs life. Or else he advocates infanticide.

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Wow. I am so stunned by Obama’s answer my head is reeling. Is he not a human being? Is he not qualified to have an opinion? And is that a message to us lowly citizens, that nor are we qualified to have an opinion? What a collossaly dumb answer. But hey, this is the guy who is letting Bill and Hill push him around in what should be his moment, so how smart can he be.

regardless of your stance on abortion….scientifically speaking, life begins at conception.

Obama must wait to ask George Soros what his opinion should be on abortion. The puppet master must instruct the puppet before the puppet may speak.

Still not taking a firm stance on anything. Pathetic.

So McCain goes against the bible and history – where until quite recently – abortion and abortifactants were acceptable through the “quickening” – or that point at which one can feel the fetus moving about.

McCain would also thus be against any help in that regard for rape victims and victims of incest – he would sentence them all to 9 months of labor and a life time of knowing that they had brought a product of a hate crime into this world – no matter what the victims feelings about the issue might be. He would be against stem cell research as it has been approved by the Bush administration. A bit harsh.

Still unwilling to give a simple answer to a simple question. The Bible Obama claims to love says, “you shall know them by their fruits”, but if they bear no fruit at all, how can you know them? Or is no answer also an answer? Being willing to stand for something, anything,and defend your position is a strong sign of leadership. What is the opposite a sign of? Like the song says, “a little less talk, and a lot more action!”

The question posed wasn’t a scientific or theological one. Just a straightforward question about the subject. In typical fashion, Obama can’t give an answer.

He knows that if he were to give his true answer to the question, he loses nothing but he can’t help but give a non-answer out of habit. It’s what he does.

Those that will be voting for him know what his thoughts are. Those voting against him know what his thoughts are.

Nothing Obama could have said would have been acceptable to the pro-lifers.

Period.

As inexperienced as Senator Obama is, there isn’t much that isn’t above his pay grade. Perhaps he’s recognizing this and will withdraw from the race…..LOL

Obama, you were being asked a LEGAL/LEGISLATIVE question, you idiot – it IS your paygrade! Nevermind, I know when you think human rights begin…in the case of partial birth abortion it’s when the head comes out and the baby breaths….that’s why the procedure is performed feet first and the head is stabbed. Didn’t you also vote to let babies that SURVIVED an abortion and were breathing, to die? Maybe you are operating above your pay grade already.

McCain showed what a leader he is. He answered all of the questions that were asked of him in a detailed manner to fully answer all questions. Barrack danced around each question stuttering and didn’t even really answer the questions.

I was very impressed with how much better McCain did during this forum. His experience and knowledge of history and the world leaders is hands down above that of Barrack.

I feel sorry that Barrack looked so inexperienced.

This is in response to Andrew Austin’s comment. Andrew, if life begins at conception then abortion is murder. The state forcing women to have babies? You have just admitted that fetuses are babies, plain and simple. Women (and men) have the choice not to have a baby. it is called contraception. Personal responsibility. And if you are not smart enough to master the complexities of the pill, there is always Implanon. And if the contraceptive fails, there are thousands of willing parents waiting to adopt your “mistake”. Heaven knows, we wouldn’t want you “punished with a baby.”

A fetus is not a person, therefore a fetus doesn’t have human rights. The fetus would die if not for the woman. If the woman choses that she does not want the fetus, it is her body and her right. Simple. Those of you who want fetuses should have them. This is not a police state that tells womens what can and cannot grow in their bodies. Obama’s answers shows that he comprehends deeply philosophical issues. Sorry if you don’t like it.

“It doesn’t matter when life begins. For the state to force women to have babies represents tyranny against which Americans should fight and die.”

Not just wrong, this sinks to utter STUPIDITY! Nobody forces any woman to get pregnant. Unprotected sex is a choice, freely made. That choice, once it results in the creation of another human being, is a voluntary choice to pro-create. Exceptions: Rape, incest and mental defect.

Perhaps a trivial adjustment to the definition of person is in order. I propose no personhood status until age 18. This would extend the carnage from the innocent to the less obviously so. The abortion of an adolescent fetus might find justification in poor behavior. We will, under my proposal, end up with much better behaved children.

What a way to skirt the issue. Obama tries not to be nailed down on his views. Afterall,if we knew his view on abortion,or any issue for that matter, we might be forced to make a judgement on his character. If its one thing liberals fear the most,its facing truth,and moral the delema accompanying that truth. We don’t want to make value judgements do we. Hopefully the public will recognize this empty suit.

This is directed to Andrew Austin’s comment. Sir, there is no more complete tyranny than what you advocate. The feebleness of mind you posses is betrayed by your own puerile statements.

China likely cheated with underage gymnasts at the Olympics. Truth has never been a Communist strong point.

Richard Cole, wear do you get your facts? or do you make them up as you go along?

“this man has no respect for life.”

are you out of your mind? seriously.

This is exactly the kind of mindset and person that scares me in this country.

Saying that you don’t know when life begins but being an advocate for abortion rights is like saying that you don’t know if anyone is in a building while advocating burning it to the ground. Ignorance is not a defense for murder.

As for the argument “If you dont like abortions then DONT HAVE ONE!!!,” that’s pretty catchy. Don’t limit such a catchy argument to abortion, though. If you dont like murder then DONT COMMIT ONE!!! If you dont like rape then DONT RAPE ANYONE!!! Life is much easier when you can live your life one slogan at a time.

The question truly is, When do we grant political (human) rights to a person? To say one doesn’t know when life begins is a dodge. Everyone who took high school biology learned this: The zygote is the first stage of a uniquely individual human life. It has all the physical and genetic stuff needed to progress to the nexts stages and eventually become a baby. Any honest discussion must acknowledge this biological fact, which can be verified in any high school, college, or medical school textbook.

It is not a matter of “if you don’t like abortions, then don’t have one”. It is a matter of life and ending it because of poor choices. Women need to be more responsible about their “choice” of having sex and becoming pregnant. Women and men all have a “choice” about sex. How about self control and responsibility instead of aborting a baby because you lacked it. BTW, I am a woman who loves sex as much as the next person.

I am kind of shocked with the disproportionate number of pro-lifers on this board. Maybe they’re the only ones who get riled up over what is a very humble answer–God is the only one who knows when life begins. He’s not referring to his pay-grade status as a senator or as anything else, but his status as a human with imperfect knowledge. God is the only one who knows the truth. Oh, I’m sorry, Obama’s the presumptuous one, while everyone on this board knows the most difficult answers known to man.

Scientists and Theologians can debate until the end of time about when life begins, but it doesn’t matter.

The point at which we define a fetus as a “person” is just a construct. Whether we call it a fetus or person, the end result is the same: it dies, and you killed it. There was life, and then there wasn’t.

So if the pro-aborts want to debate about when life begins, that’s fine… but realize it’s just a rationalization.

Wow! This is the Democrat’s dynamic speaker??? Boy do they have to keep his head in the book to keep his head together enough to make sense of what he says. Maybe he sounds good, but speaking is not his plus. Barak has taken a hard one on the chin. Media will deny it, but it’s damage control in the Democrat camp. Maybe Hillary will seize the day at the last minute.
The truth be told, Abortion is murder. Only in the rare save the mama’s life should it be used. If she did not want to have a baby she shouldn’t have been playing with the boy down the street in the bed room.

andrew-(1st post)-Where did you learn that rights and responsibilities aren’t related? The “state” you want to condemn doesn’t snatch women off the street and impregnate them against their will. THAT would be something worth fighting and dying to stop. Natural consequences of human behavior are not. We can each have our own opinion of when life begins, but that is just what it is, an opinion, not a fact. If my opinion is that I can fly, that doesn’t make it a fact, as jumping off a cliff would prove. Real life decisions have consequences, or do you expect government to protect you if you decide to roller-skate on the freeway? Fetuses aren’t being sacrificed for “human freedom”, but for the convenience of the one who doesn’t like the consequences of their earlier choices. By your argument, infanticide would be ok too, as long as you kill them before they have a real personality. Good thing your parents didn’t buy into that line of thinking!

To Andrew Austin…
I don’t like to hurl insults out into the ether, but I have to say that your comment truly was one of the most inane, least thought out comments I’ve ever seen, read, or heard. To say it’s better to kill a fetus in the name of freedom than to kill a grown man because the adult has a name and personality is simply so ridiculous and illogical that it borders on being a non-sequitur. The fetus is the epitome of innocence. It has neither choice nor awareness of it’s actions, and is 100% dependent on the mother for every need. The adult is the polar opposite: he has choice and control over every action. How is killing a fetus a declaration of freedom? It’s no more an expression of freedom than putting a gun to a mentally handicapped child and blowing his head off…in fact I dare say it is exactly the same thing. Is it possible or reasonable to purposely execute a completely innocent child? Not on this planet. So how is it possible to kill an equally innocent unborn baby?

Take a look at Obama’s (admittedly sparse) voting record as a state and U.S. senator. Whatever slippery language he wants to use now, his pro-abortion voting record speaks for itself.

What I’d like to know is how does he expect the federal government to reduce unwanted pregnancies? Through forced sterilizations like they do it in China? Of course not. It’s just talk. The government has no real power (nor should it) to change human nature. Unwanted pregnancies will always happen. And abortion will remain a divisive issue.

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OK. Let’s take Obama at his word and assume his pay grade stops at Senator. The President of the United States is absolutely cabable (and required) to take a stand on seminal ideas like the beginning of life.

Did any catch the forum with obama and McCain, what a crock obama, when they talked about religion Obama wanted to still say like he did 7 months ago, and in his book Rev, Wright, was his Mentor and spiritual advisor,
but like alway Obama fliped floped again and again,

Obama showed today he is not ready for the 3am phone call,, he would get scared, and start stammering again,

When Obama and McCain when they really debate, is Obama going to agree with everything McCain says, like he did with Hillary Clinton, and him give Obama all the answers ,,, and take him as his own later,,,
Just like Hillary,, Even CNN News claims Obama Adopted all of Hillary’s Agendas, Why so many Obama supporter can not think for them self, the love the reality TV crap, Rock star image, Boy is this country going to suffer if Obama elected,,, I am a Hillary Supporter, this will be the first year I vote Republican because I don’t believe in throwing alway my Vote, and to me it still best for the job,

Democrats have aborted so many of their voters is why they are now trying to get to-be-released felons registered to vote in this election. They are pathetic.

ok.. for those of you who don’t get it.. which seems to be most of the people commenting here.. he was trying to imply that only God know the answer as to when life begins..(which is true because everything else is just conjecture or faith) that’s what “above the pay grade means”

So can we please stop criticizing the fact that he simply pointed out something that was true in a clever way. Everyone knows he’s pro-choice and so did Rick Warren when he asked the question. He knew it was a loaded question when he asked it and Obama dodged it.. BRILLIANT move. If our president had half that tact, the rest of the world wouldn’t love him right now more the Alpha-male moron that you people elected.

Amb–

I’m afraid that your unfounded elitism is showing your ignorance. Were these men in front of a group of Christians? Yes. Does that make them a bunch of medievalists (implication being uneducated, ignorant, lacking sophistication)? Hardly. In fact, I’d venture that most are as intelligent and sophisticated in their thinking–probably more so–as you. Would you rather have them in front of a group of environmentalists (by they way, they can also be accused of superstition and a lack of sophistication in their thinking) or college kids (not too sophisticated thinkers by the way)? Instead of complaining about the group they were in front of, you would have been better off to have listened to the questions and their responses–heck, you might have learned something.

To Andrew Austin – The state forces women to have babies!!! What state do you live in? I think the state of delusion. This absolutely the most truncated thinking I have ever heard. Take some responsibility for yourself, you petulant child. The state did not force you to have sex and it doesn’t force you to have a baby. It has nothing to do with human freedom or tyranny. Do you understand that you are killing your own children? For heavens sake – grow up.

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Since Roe v. Wade, abortions are allowed by Federal law. A majority of Constitutional scholars agree it is a bad law in that it is not in the power of the Federal Government to restrict State’s rights in such a way. So many liberals shout that if Republicans/Conservatives have their way, women who want an abortion would be relegated to back alleys like in the past. (There are posts like this above.) If Roe v. Wade is ever declared unconstitutional, it would fall on State’s rights to allow or not allow abortions, just like it is now with civil unions. If a woman wants an abortion and it is not allowed in your state, they would need to go to a state where it is allowed.

The problems that confront America involve a LOT more than abortion, which I do not favor.

Sen. Obama’s answers were more than satisfactory for me, as are his economic and foreign policy plans. Sen. McCain has no vision for America save war and “Obama is bad.” He’s too old and too angry to be president.

This is an easy vote: Obama by a landslide

Typically, a democrat who needs to be paid to be moral. A hundred years from now, they will look back at us as barely civil. Just as we cannot fathom slavery, abortion will someday baffle our future generations.

“Better to sacrifice the fetus for the sake of human freedom than kill grown men with names and personalities.”

Comparing grown men who have commited horrendous murders, been given due process including at least one trial, numerous appeals and a warm snug bed and three hot meals a day (all on the public’s dime) while the families of their victims continue to suffer……with the unborn who have committed no offense other than being inconvenient?

It’s not even close.

A woman has a right to choose what to do with her body. She can kill the unborn.

You’ve got 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder. Dude gets drunk and wipes out a family of five in a minivan; unintentional murder. Stupid, stupid man. Girl gets drunk and forced into sex, rape, whatever; has a baby. Poor poor girl.

If abortion is her choice . . . it is murder. I’d say 6th degree as a starting point.

Should I have to pay for this crime no matter the degree?

BHO thinks so.

Liberals have gone from claiming that an unborn child is not alive (insanely ignorant) to claiming that a woman has a right to terminate the life — because of the 14th Amendment’s “right to privacy.” This was the basis for Roe v. Wade in 1973.

Does the “right to privacy” extend to anything that we think is proper? Do I have a “right” to kill a person who walks into my home — simply because I own the house? Yes — but only if my physical life is in danger of death. Thus, with this “castle law” rule of “privacy,” a woman should only be permitted to kill her unborn child if her life is in danger.

No matter how much the liberals like Obama bemoan this fundamental restriction, abortion is destroying a life.

Of course, Barack Obama wants to hide his hyper-liberal views about abortion for fear of alienating his supporters (especially the wealthy liberals who fund his political agenda).

Obama’s record in the Illinois state legistature speaks for itself (even though Obama tries to sidestep his record): He voted to uphold the barbaric practice fo “partial birth” abortion, to fund “secret” abortions paid for by the state for children as young as 10 yrs old without their parents ever knowing, and he voted to not extend health insurance coverage to unborn children for prenatal surgical procedures. Obama also opposed prosecuting or fining abortion doctors for killing a child that “accidentally” survives an abortion. Yeah, Obama’s position is clear — just don’t tell anyone!

Andrew makes a specious argument. The State is not forcing women to do anything at all, certainly not getting them pregnant by force. The argument is not about a personal belief as to the rightness or wrongness of abortion, but whether this country was, or was not, founded on the ideals of states’ rights. If it was, then Roe v Wade should offend every American based the fact that it circumvents the state’s right to decide for itself.

Perhaps its semantics but shouldn’t a baby have human rights. A fetus (unborn child) is what most question as whether human rights are involved. It wasn’t that hard of a question. President of the United States is the top pay grade. Take a stand America!!!

Barack Obama would probably support abortion if there were some way that an unborn baby could vote for him.

His policies are, like other hyper-liberals, guided by his voters.

The democrats say they are out to help the little people, the people who can’t help themselves? However they fail to protect the “littlest”, those people who are truly the most vulernable and cannot protect themselves. Hypocrites!

I am pro-life based on scientific principles. Does this mean I am an un-educated fear-mongering redneck?

If the comments, were a poll McCain wins hands down. Obama is out classed.

Obama wasn’t making a joke when he said the decision was above his pay grade. He was saying the the choice of life or death is up to God and God alone. Are you so ignorant that you can’t see that? A president should always pale in comparison to God and by giving anyman the power to decide fate over the mother is to ratify a movement towards dictatorship. Is it a requirement to be blatenly blind and ignorant if you are a conservative?

Absurd!

Everybody knows that life begins when the stork arrives with a blessed bundle.

And abortion? All aborted fetuses go straight to Heaven where they play all day with God and Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary and John the Baptist and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and all the Apostles. So what’s the problem?

And marriage? Marry them all and let God sort them out.

Let’s say that Obama really does want to reduce the number of abortions. (Who would be dumb enough to say publicly that they want MORE abortions?) What is his plan to do that? More training on how to put condoms on bananas?

As usual, Obama assumed that voters care more about his charisma than convictions–assuming he has convictions. It seems like people are beginning to recognize this.

Obama made a very strong case that the Presidency is way above his pay grade.

When he said abortion was above his pay grade, it very obviously meant to me that he was saying he is not GOD – who McCain seems rather comfortable trying to mock.

If a woman has an abortion, it is between her and her God, not between her and her president. Abortions have gone down in the last decade due to improved birth control methods and the morning after pill, not because George Bush sleeps in the White House.

And I hate to be the one to break it to you, but if you believe that abortion is okay in the case of rape or incest, you are pro choice.

yeah moran if it wasnt for tax cuts the wealthy would have no reason to work harder thus give your lazy ass a job… so you should kiss G.W.b

Its funny – this debate was meaningless. Religion is a sham. No one cares about some stupid pastor debate. This has nothign to do with war, economy, and all of our homeland problems. Once we stop with this relgious nonsense we can center on the real issues.

We the Egyptions satanist’s because they worshipped the sun?

Hello people – seperation of church and state. Go watch the 700 Club and stay out of politics.

Some liar said it was tyranny to “force” a woman to have a baby. Wow. So callous. We need to balance the rights of the woman who is pregnant against the rights of a person inside the womb.

I am amazed and frankly dismayed at the myopic views shown in the postings here. You folks never, ever look at anything from anyone else’s perspective but your own. You want your view to be the only view and are, frankly, intolerant of others’. The view that life, which begins at conception in your view, must be protected at all costs is one I can agree with. But this same view directly contradicts death penalty advocacy as well as any war we are fighting which costs the lives of innocents including our own soldiers. Its hypocrisy pure and simple. Whether its abortion, sticking a deadly needle in someone’s arm or bombing a village in Iraq, its putting yourself in God’s place. This is the greatest sin of all.

“answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade…”

Obama answered the question with complete honesty, and he is correct…..now lets send him back to Illinois.
(to FINNISH his term)

If McCain can debate the same way as he spoke with the Pastor, he has a legit shot.

Either way, we are going to have a liberal president.

“Above my pay grade”?!?! Uh, what happened to ANSWERING THE QUESTION UP FRONT? It would seem to be easier to just answer and not WEAVE!
I weep for America should he be elected. He has proved again and again that if he doesn’t have a script, he’s LOST and (in a word) WORTHLESS! Leaders should be decisive and give answers that truly answer the question.
Genuine answers are worth more than “Jokes”, especially if they fall flat.

To all you people who think that Obama’s answer was “wimpy”–the question asked by pastor Rick Warren was ABSURD. WHICH ONE OF YOU CAN PINPOINT THE EXACT MOMENT OF HUMANITY IN A FETUS? Not even the world’s best scientists have been able to pinpoint the exact time a fetus becomes “human.” You pro-lifers are all a bunch of nitpickers dragging the human race back to the stone age, when women were barefoot, pregnant and submissive to men. Have all the theological discussions you want about the abortion matter, but stay out of the political arena, for God’s sake. Reason should prevail, not superstition. And on an end-note: I think Obama’s answer was about as good as you could give to a person who refuses to be open to reason and instead, CHOOSES to wallow in his beliefs that have long past their expiration date.

surreptitiously , bho

It is amazing that single issue voters can influence an election. There are so many issues that are critical to our nation right now I would hope that people can look beyond abortion as a means to elect a president. A woman’s body is her own body and the moment the government steps in to legislate what she can and can’t do to her own body is the day that I cry in disbelief as the fundamentals of our country go into the gutter as the basic principle of separation of church and state gets thrown into the trash.

McCain is toast. He fumbled and bumbled his way through that interview, telling false anecdotes (”oh hey, did i mention i was a prisoner 40 years ago?”) and dishing out kindergarten-level logic (”evil exists. must be defeated!”). DUUURRRRRRR

Obama would not have nominated Clarence Thomas because he was not qualified for the job. Wow! Not because he disagrees with his votes. Obama just gave a pass to everyone of his peers not to vote for him in good conscience.

“It’s above my paygrade” is the same lame answer he would give to Russia, Iran, Isreal, Mexico, and an energy plan. The only definite answer he does have is raising taxes, no drilling for our own oil, and wait to see what the poll numbers say when respongding to foreign affairs. He’s lame. The Dem’s might as well have elected a 22 year old liberal right out of one of our most liberal colleges with the same inexperienced and ignorant viewpoint of the world and our country. Simply pathetic!

you liberals want to save the world … excepting of course for the babies right here in america

Senators are paid a six figure salary precisely because they are supposed to have gained sufficient wisdom to make these determination and act on them.

Andrew Austin’s comment that for the state to intervene to save the life of the unborn constitutes “tyranny” is perverse. If “freedom” requires the ability to snuff out innocent life, then none of us is safe from Andrew’s murderous outlook.

The unborn have faces; it’s not their fault that we have difficulty seeing them. Giving a name to someone doesn’t make them more or less human. In the concentration camps, the Nazis branded Jews and others they dehumanized with numbers. Once you admit that an unborn baby is human and is alive, as is uncontestable medically, his or her life should be protected.

fifty years from now the abortion issue will be equated to the Slavery issue. Obama should thank the thousands of northern soldiers who died to end slavery because they believed slaves were human and made it possible for him to become a senator

Obama’s answer is typical of any democrat. Never take a position. Liberals only care about the polls. Liberals don’t stand for anything or anyone. Only when something becomes popular will a Liberal Democrat take a position. Barack’s lack of respect for the United States and Americans in general is a clear indicator of the way he’d run this country…..”into the ground”. He panders to the Europeans and special interest groups. He hates evangelicals, hard working americans, and anyone that disagrees with him. Voting this radical into office would be a vote for socialism and the ultimate weakening of the U.S. This country was built on the back of hard working people that don’t resemble Barack one bit. Barack is an egostical, European loving, hate speech raised socialist. Go ruin somebody else’s country Barack…I don’t want your weak minded leadership here. I’m sure some Middle Eastern country would love you to be there dictator. “Above my pay grade”. Is that your answer when you get tough questions Barack????? Dealing with the Russians or Iran….above my pay grade….your so weak and have no idea how to lead this country.

The Republicans are trying to use the low approval ratings of Democrats in Congress, gay issues and abortion for political gain again this election cycle.

I think it’s important to remind folks that having a majority of ONE with at least one Independent spying on the Dem’s plans (Lieberman), with a Republican president who promises to veto any bill he doesn’t like – makes it extremely difficult to solve ANY problem.

I could also remind you that Democrats continue to have a much better approval rating in Congress then do the Republicans currently serving there.

As for using the abortion and gay rights argument (he’s pro-choice or a baby killer and marriage is between a man and a woman), Republicans had the majority in congress for 12 years, they had a conservative supreme court during those years and a well liked Republican president for at least 10 of those years — what was their problem? Why didn’t they kill the Roe vs Wade law? Why didn’t they pass a constitutional amendment making it a law that marriage is between a man and a woman?

It’s simple folks. If they killed those laws — they’d have no platform to run on in the next election cycle.

Obama is obligated to have an opinion answer the question. A real man worthy of the presidency should have the courage to form an actual opinion and the stones to speak it. What a coward.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All you pro-lifers are just loving it aren’t you? Do you REALLY think John McCain will put overturning Roe Vs. Wade at the top of his list if he is voted into office? You are all a bunch of superstitious sheep being lured into the same old political loop-de-loops intended to distract us from what is really going on: the bargain basement sale of our government to the corporate elite at the cost of our children and the middle class of this country. Don’t you think you should be thinking about healthcare for your parents and yourselves and your children? And a host of other ills this country is suffering from: Iraq, Afghanistan, the rise of gang and youth violence once again, Russia, methamphetamine, illegal immigration, the rising costs of college education, the burgeoning senior population, small farmers going under because of corporate farms that rape the land for pure profit then are rewarded by the government with grants and emergency monies for doing so, the displaced victims of Hurricane Katrina, the oil companies, lobbyists, government-sponsored unconstitional wiretapping, the list goes on. I THINK OBAMA’S RESPONSE WAS A FAIR AND REASONABLE ANSWER TO A STUPID AND ABSURD QUESTION. OBAMA ’08!!!

Obama became quite lost in his non sequiturs

It absolutely matters at what point the baby’s “human life” status is recognized. For one human’s life trumps the “freedom” of another. A person’s freedom, or individual liberty, ends at the point where it infringes upon the freedom, or individual liberty, of another. That seemingly thinking people don’t understand this point is exasperating. The question of life is absolutley integral to the issue of abortion. Life trumps “choice”. Am i “free to choose” to walk away from a fatal car accident that I caused? NO! Even though the loss of that “choice” may have very negative consequences, I do not get to “choose” a destructive choice. This is why pro-life is really opposed by “pro-death”… not pro-choice. If you could demonstrate that life begins at the arbitrary moment of departure from the womb, that would be a compelling argument; however, modern science contiues to prove the opposite. Everything we have learned in recent decades points to beginning of this unique, human life at conception, when the unique personal DNA is formed. Every study shows how the stages of development inside the womb are no different than after departure (birth). This primitive form of denial where we kill the child before we can “see” it is a denial of reality and refusal to accept the very real consequences of behavior tha tin the vast majority of cases was completely voluntary, if irresponsible. Most of us on the pro-life side have even conceded to allowing abortions in the case of rape to eliminate the cases where the mother had no part in the real “choice” (fertilization). This in an effort to save the (over 98%) babies produced by sexual behavior the mother consented to. The “pro-choice” crowd does not make any similar concessions, even blocking the right of parents, charged with the health and welfare of their under-age daughters, to be informed, let alone decide. On top of all of this and on a purley legal front, there is absolutely NOTHING in the U.S. Constitution that speaks to the issue of abortion, privacy, or the so-called “right to choose”. The Roe v Wade decision has absolutely no constitutional support. Please show me where in the Constitution this so-called “right” is defined or protected.

The choice is not when you have the child. The choice was when you had unprotected sex. The majority of abortions that happen are what I consider lifestyle abortions. That is, someone getting an abortion to not interfere with their life at that time. A perfect example is a friend of mine got an abortion a few weeks ago because if she didn’t, she couldn’t go on a cruise in 6 months.

The biggest irony that I see is that the same people that are OK with leaving a baby out to die who survived an abortion will be the first to persecute someone who picks up a mother on the way to an abortion clinic, rapes the mother, then kills the child.

If we’re going to be ok with leaving babies out to die after they have survived an abortion (Which Obama does), why even take it to the doctor? After the child is born, just put a bullet through his head.

Obama is an empty suit.

After last night’s forum, Obama has solidified the fact that he has neither the spine nor integrity to lead us. Just shameful.

Read the conservatives responses then read the lib responses. Now you see why I’m a conservative and always will be. Obama, you are a joke. You blew it. About time people see who you really are. Get a clue libs.

While we may not know exactly when life begins, I believe that when you discover you are pregnant, its a life already. Yeah people make mistakes, but you have to be accountable. It may be your body, but its ALSO another life too. Because another life is inside your body doesn’t mean you have a right to kill it.
People claim that those who believe in capital punishment and are also pro-life are hypocrites.
I believe that a fetus is innocent. It did nothing wrong. The fetus did not make a wrong choice by taking another’s life. The fetus did not have a choice. The fetus did not choose evil.

I have a question for Obama.

Would you consider abortion in the following four situations?
1. There’s a preacher and his wife who are very, very poor. They already have 14 children. Now she finds out she’s pregnant with their 15th! They’re living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you recommend she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have four children. The first child is blind, the second is dead. The third child is deaf, the fourth has TB. She finds she’s pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13-year-old black girl and she became pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She’s not married. Her fiance is not the father of the baby, and he’s very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?
If you would have recommended abortion in any of these situations, you should know that…
In the first case, you recommended killing John Wesley, one of the great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you recommended killing Ludwig Von Beethoven, one of the most famous musical composers of all time. (He also became deaf at an early age).
In the third case, you recommended killing Ethel Waters, one of the nation’s leading gospel singers.
In the fourth case, you have just recommended killing Jesus Christ.

How many wonderful people have we already killed?

To Andrew Austin…in regards to your comment that the state is forcing women to have babies…NO ONE is forcing these women to get pregnant. THEY are choosing to not use protection. Pregnancy can be prevented and there are plenty of places to get contriception for free if you cannot afford it. Since THEY choose not to prevent it, than they have to live with the consequences. An innocent child with a functioning brain and beating heart should not have to pay for the stupidity of its mother!

Obama’s reasoning is flawed. If you don’t know when conception begins, then the reasonable moral thing to do is err on the side of caution: don’t abort the life. His type of reasoning is only an effort to justify what he and his followers on this issue want personally.

“For the state to force women to have babies represents tyranny against which Americans should fight and die…”

That would, indeed, be tyranny. However, the state does not force them to have babies. They conceive them of their own free will 99.9% of the time (yes, rape and incest are exceptions).

What the State does need to do is protect the natural rights of those who are unable to do so on their own. That is the purpose of the State. And, the most basic natural right is life.

The fact is, Obama killed legislation that would have made it illegal to deny medical care to babies that had already been born, if those babies had been targeted for abortion before hand. Think about that. There is no impact on the mother’s body at that point. All arguments about her right to her body are moot. And, he still killed this legislation.

Even Barbara Boxer voted for this bill at the national level. The senate passed it without a single nay vote. And, Obama killed it repeatedly in the Illonois state legislature.

That’s murder.

I’m a mostly pro-choice Libertarian. I don’t think the Federal government should be taking stances on this issue. But, Obama’s position on this is disturbing and indicative of a character so weak as to not be fit for the highest office in the land.

If Obama really knew Jesus, that would be an easy answer for him. There’s no grey area about abortion.

How absurd that people still believe the Republicans and don’t see through their bait and switch tactics: every time an election comes around, they haul out their claims about being against abortion and honoring life and claim that their opponents are baby killers. In reality, if elected, they do nothing to either prevent unwanted pregnancies or reduce abortions. They instead lie to start wars that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including children and pregnant women.

They also avoid the real problems with any abortion laws: If all abortions, except those for victims of rape, were made illegal, there would be thousands of illegal abortions each year. An entirely new underground industry will spring up, without the oversight of the legitimate medical community, and many young, frightened, ashamed girls will become victims. The situation would be similar to that with the “war on drugs.” Making something that people want illegal does not stop it. It makes it more expensive and more dangerous.

Simply put, McCain belongs to the party that has repeated deceived the public and continues to oversimplify complex problems.

The right to life is certainly NOT tyranny! I was born to a 17 year old unwed mother, and adopted by wonderful parents that couldn’t have children. Thanks to the fact that abortion was illegal in 1947, I was given the gift of life!!! I’m sure my 4 children and 3 grandchildren are also grateful! I thank God that our government upheld moral values THEN and disallowed this abomination of aborting one’s children. It all comes down to moral responsibility for oneself. If you don’t want children, abstain or use birth control, period! If a mistake is made, think beyond your immediate convenience and allow someone who can’t conceive the joy of raising a baby. All it will cost you is a little time and compassion.

GOD has a paygrade above the president.

Everytime A democrat opens his mouth ,something dumb comes out, HA HA , keep it up” DEMS” Obama is right up there at the top!!! OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF BABES COMES FORTH (nothing) I love it!!!!

While neither an ardent Obama or McCain supporter at this time, I feel that OBAMA IS TAKING A LOT MORE HEAT THAN NECESSARY. Of course that was a political blunder on his part to say it was above his pay grade, but one can’t criticize him from being honest. He told us in his opening sentence, if i may repeat his words, that “whether you look at it from a theological perspective or scientific perspective with such specificity that such question is above my pay grade.” Well obviously he is saying scientifically or theologically that there is no way for him to know for sure at what point it can be called human. I don’t think any of us know FOR SURE. Of course from a theological perspective it is at the moment of conception. And scientifically there is no hard proof of that being true. Obama’s answer was honest, but was not a good political answer as McCain’s was. Let’s not forget that Obama did continue on with his answer and did take a stance. He supported pro-choice, and I’d like to add if you criticize and hate Obama for being pro-choice (which i’ve seen from many of the comments above) then you have to at the same time hate 55% of Americans who opted for pro-choice.

Also, I hope many of you that are commenting above have watched the clip, because any one can tell when Obama jokes, but his demeanor showed he was giving an open and honest opinion.

I also want to add I felt both were very strong last night, McCain giving much more upfront and straight answers, but that political blunder on Obama’s part I knew for sure would be taken to the extreme as it has.

What he said was that only God knows when life actually begins.

And, the question is irrelevant if you believe that a woman’s right to choose trumps that.

John McCain thinks that the moment a sperm hits an egg there are human rights attached. What an idiot. A single cell has rights? Most of the time they don’t even survive.

My questions is what to do with the babies once they are born?

These commenters seem to be pro-life until the babies are born, please read the stat below:

According to the Adoption Institute as of 1999 there are 581,000 children in foster care in the United States.

“Above my pay grade”… I thought that was Obama’s strongest line. Do pro-lifer’s really want presidents dictating that issue? He’s saying that there are far more astute minds dedicated to this. While important to a lot of folks, unwanted pregnancies are a sticky, horrible, gray issue that will not be solved by any one man.

I saw BO run away from something he truly believes in: abortion

reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies means more abortions, Obama. We are not stupid. Or…judging from the polls, maybe we are.

Dear Christians,

Murder is a legal term for unlawful killing. Abortion is legal, therefore does not fit the definition of “murder.”

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How come when he’s preaching to black fathers he says “your responsibility doesn’t end at conception” but when he’s pandering to the pro-abortion crowd all of the sudden he doesn’t know when life begins?? Wake up people !!

I am 100% pro-life and will vote for and support John McCain. But I think a number of poster misunderstand Obama’s pay grade reference. His answer was for ”theological” or ”scientific” perspectives. Neither He, nor Sen. McCain or Pres. Bush are scientists or theologians. Its obvious that in his answer he was simply being humble in stating that he was neither a scientist or theologian.

By the way, I am not sure how any person of faith could assume that being president is the ”highest pay grade”.

One canidate did not hesitate and gave straight forward answers and the other canidate answered in Rev. Jackson style! BREATH TAKING DIFFERENCE!!!

Both candidates are horrible.
Obama made a huge mistake with the paygrade answer, that’s really weak and undeserving of the post he’s running for.
McCain panders to the stupid and ignorant who just want a quick answer they can relate to.
On the positive side Obama did reveal himself a little more and went personal where “My Friends” McCain pushed his stupid drilling and war agenda.
Overall, I am not impressed at all by either of those two.

Isn’t it sad that Presidential candidates now have to answer questions that a celebrity pastor asks them. The president should not choose whether women are allowed to have abortions or not that should be fought on the local and state levels. Picking a president for their religious beliefs(which is what this Rick Warren crap is all about), is just as sophomoric and insane as voting for one because of their race. Vote or don’t vote for a president because of their beliefs in the constitution, civil liberties, or capitalism thats what effects all of us and are the things that a president has some control of. This puppet show with Rick Warren though is just a sad and extremely lame way to appeal to the masses of religious voters who make their decisions based on a book written thousands of years ago by man.

Weak answer(at best) by Obama. Simply put, it’s bad law. No one should have a “constitutional right” to abortion. Leave it to the states, PERIOD! It’s terrible law and has no place as a “right”.

Abortion is precisely the opposite the position of the first poster. We should fight and die for the right of any person to be murdered for the sake of convenience. Abortion, and not the right to murder, is what is worth fighting for. I guess they never read George Washington’s address that he fights for the freedoms of the the living men and women, and the unborn in the womb’s of their mothers. Imagine Washington seeing this America, he wouldn’t have fought at all.

Irrespective of my own stance, to say that an issue like abortion is above anyone’s pay grade and they claim they want to run the largest country in the world means he is a liar. His pro-murder stance is well-known and he’s pretending he doesn’t know he wants the right to murder. And no, I don’t like McCain either.

To refute another ignorant poster, there was one answer Obama could have gave to make pro-life people happy: defend human life from conception to natural death.

I watched this full thing and I must say John Sidney McCain did much better then Barack Hussein Obama. McCain didn’t dance around any of the questions. He didn’t seem to care how many people had the same views as him. He just answered the question based on his beliefs and knowledge. Obama on the other hand did a dance on every tough question to try to alienate as few people as possible. He tried to play both sides on abortion instead of answering the question. Oh and he never answered the question when does a fetus have basic human rights? If he was for Late term abortions he could have said at birth he just didn’t want to commit to an answer.

I’m going to have to reconsider my position on Sen. Obama. He is no where near as appealing as he was five months ago.

With an answer like that, Obama apparently doesn’t plan on making it to the presidential pay grade. What a blatant sidestep.

“It doesn’t matter when life begins. For the state to force women to have babies represents tyranny against which Americans should fight and die. Better to sacrifice the fetus for the sake of human freedom than kill grown men with names and personalities.
– Posted by Andrew Austin ”

Hey Andrew,

Last time I checked the state does not force women to have babies. The majority of pregnancies occurring in the united states of America are VOLUNTARY.

The argument that the “state is forcing women to have babies” is absurd. Unless a woman has been raped, she chose to have sex, knowing, even with contraception, that there was a chance of becoming pregnant. If that isn’t an option she and her husband or boyfriend are willing to live with, then they need to grow up and practice SELF-control. It’s time for men and woman to act like adults and not feral animals who can’t control their every bodily urge. A pregnancy is not a disease. If you’re too immature to handle the responsibility then don’t get pregnant. Abortion is not the answer. Life begins at the moment a child is conceived, whether you choose to accept that or not. McCain is right and has the guts to say it outright, regardless of whom it offends. Good for him. Liberals want to make up their own “truth” as it suits them.

After reading some of the comments here it’s more clear than ever that this election is not Democratss against Republicans, because I know a LOT of Republicans supporting Obama, but intelligence and integrity against ignorance and lies. When Obama said the answer was “above his pay grade”, he OBVIOUSLY used a bit of humor to point out that the obvious – NO ONE outside of God (if one embraces “God”) knows EXACTLY when consciousness takes place. BUT we ALL know that our men and women fighting in Iraq ARE conscious and McCain has NOT supported their care as Obama has. And McCain would support a woman forced to bear a child from a rape. Women forced to bear children they cannot emotionally not financially care for. So McCain only cares about life in a vague way, not as TRULY supporting those already struggling to live, OR our troops. That becomes VERY obvious when you note that our enlisted people have donated 6 TIMES as much money to Obama as to McCain. Big Business supports McCain. Wake up America. This MIGHT be our last chance to return America to her once proud stature. McCain can’t and won’t do it. Obama will try (he’ll need cooperation), but he can only do that if he is elected. Vote for the future we deserve. And heaven help those passing on viscous lies about Obama. The funny thing is that many CLAIM to be Christian. What a joke!

Obama’s answer does show his inexperience. A better answer might have been, yes an embryo has the rights we confer upon them. Those rights are as arbitrary as the right of a human in this United States to equitable access to medical treatment, proper nutrition, and sound education, among many other rights and pursuits we consider lead to an orderly and free society. It easy to define life as beginning at conception when it is an abstraction to most folks. There is no real consequence to those wishing to impose that definition upon those who resist that definition, except a rally point argue. Put one day old human embryo and embryo of toad in front of the average person and ask them distinguish the difference. They can’t. Do the same a one-day old toad and human baby. Arguing about abstractions is an easy cop-out to tackling the real problems of the world. The embryo hasn’t done anything, yet, to offend the pious. Yes, the “buck stops” at the President. That is nothing more than short-hand for: “Please make the world black and white enough for me so I don’t have consider that the worlds is complex place.” Obama was right — it is above his pay grade. But, the masses want simply, easy answers and cringe at the freedom of others to make a decision independent of their own limited belief system. No empathy for the woman — just righteous, presumptive judgments — faith with little reasoning is nothing more than radicalism. Warren’s forum is a reflection that the young folks of the US are not following in lock-step of their parents limited social views, and seek a more balanced social agenda. They have to. They see the mess they are being left and need real solutions to fix it.

If you all are such fanatic life respecting and saving freaks, how can you support a war that McSame believes is the savior of the United States that has killed tens of thousands of innocent women and children. The support for actions that results in the murder of civilians while in the same breath claiming the sanctity of life is the epitomy of idiotic right wing hypocrisy. We just got 8 years of B.S. from small brained voters who vote on these personal moral questions. Try and expand your perspective and pull your heads out of your rearends.

How can conservatives be pro-life and be for the death penalty? What about that follow-up question?

I found out the hard way that life begins at conception. Because society told me having an abortion was risk-free, I had one. I went to an abortion clinic, I had the abortion, but the moment I awoke I felt a loss I have never felt before. It was a loss of such magnitude that I instantly started to cry. I looked around the room and all the women who just had an abortion were crying. They were feeling the same loss. There was an attachment to the life that was growing inside me — an attachment to my soul, beyond any I had known before. I knew that I was mourning the loss of my baby which was only five weeks old. Since I wasn’t anticipating anything like that happening, I felt ashamed and full of guilt for killing my baby. I mourned for weeks after and have carried the guilt with me my whole life. That was many years ago, but I always wonder about the life I took and if I’ll ever be able to forgive myslef. Maybe some people don’t feel the loss and remorse and for them, abortion is a woman’s right but I don’t agree. I am so deeply saddened that Obama believes that all abortions are acceptable – even the very late abortions at 8 or 9 months. I now know when life begins (at conception) and I watch in horror as the number of abortions grow. Obama is right, we should lower the number of abortions but the only way to do that is to get women to understand that life begins at conception and it is something to be honored and charished, not thrown away like trash. Maybe then, they will be more sexually careful and honor their bodies more by not being so premiscuious. I don’t know how Obama will achieve that otherwise.

When asked when a baby is a baby Barack makes a glib remark that this decision is above his pay grade. This fits right in I suppose with another callous remark he made regarding abortion and I quote, “I don’t want my daughters catching a sexually transmitted disease or being PUNISHED with a baby.” I wish this pastor had asked Barack he thought his two little girls were when they were inside his wife Michelle?

Hey Ted Scott tell God those brilliant Democrat talking points when you meet Him. I’m sure he’ll be impressed.

Andrew Austin (comment #1) is laughable:

“It doesn’t matter when life begins. For the state to force women to have babies represents tyranny against which Americans should fight and die. Better to sacrifice the fetus for the sake of human freedom than kill grown men with names and personalities.”

Let’s regurgitate this in regards to care for the mentally retarded:

“It doesn’t matter when life begins OR ends. For American citizens to be forced to take care of people who contribute absolutely nothing to society is tyranny against which Americans should fight and die. Better to sacrifice the retarded for the sake of human freedom than to kill adults acutely conscious of their existence.”

Yes, this is the new “pro-life” Democratic Party…

One that finds having an opinion about life or death “above its pay grade.” Indeed, smart folks have always known this. The amusement comes with the Dems finally acknowledging it.

Almost everyone who has left a comment in here trying to slander Obama has forgotten to look at one thing. He was asked when a fetus gets human rights. He was not side-stepping the question and joking when he said it was above his pay grade, he simply meant that he is neither a scientist, a doctor nor a MEGA-CHURCH pastor, all of whom make more than Obama in a fiscal year. So saying it is above his pay-grade to make a succinct decision that can be contested any number of ways is a viable answer. And i would like to poll all the people that read this post and ask them if they believe in evolution or if the dinosaurs were put on earth to “test” our faith.

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For Obama to make the statement that “it’s above my pay grade” really shows how he doesn’t want to or doesn’t choose to understand this important issue. This isn’t about studies or who knows more about the science! This is about LIFE and to understand it doesn’t take a special degree. It takes a heart and a real feeling about what life is. Obama is stick figure with no heart.

Oh my God, the question is above his pay grade? That comment is going to no doubt return again and again to haunt him. A United States senator running for the highest office in the land responds to a question involving one of the most divisive issues in America that it is above his pay grade? What a loser…

Hopefully, people here aren’t marionettes for either party, but whatever side of the aisle your on, you must shake your head and admit that Obama’s political sidestepping here was a bad move.

The Constitution states it had been formed to “ensure domestic tranquility”. In no way does an individual’s decision to have, or not to have, an abortion disrupt domestic tranquility and therefore, lawmakers are not entitled to have a say about it.

When does life begin? Nobody really knows, but there sure are plenty of unqualified morons on this site ready to claim they know. The only truly intelligent answer to this question is “I don’t know” or “It’s above my pay grade”.

If I were a fetus, and I had the choice between abortion or an unhappy life with parents that don’t want me, I would choose abortion. Why doesn’t the religious right ever consider what’s best for the child, rather than what’s best for their selfish, one sided religious point of view. We have enough unhappy kids in the world, and we can’t even take care of the kids we already have.

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[…] stage as John McCain. The difference between the two last night was striking. While Senator Obama punted on questions of great importance to the American people, and sidestepped even simple questions […]

Last night’s events with Obama and McCain, was a great eye opener for me…….Obama, without the crutch of a MSM facilitator to “prop him up,” and Obama’s “stump speech” answers only making him look more “out of sorts,”
McCain, whether you agree with all his policies looked/sounded more “presidential,” than did “floundering around” Obama. “Above his pay grade..”
What in the world was THAT!! He, Obama, you showed last night you couldn’t get us out of a wet paper bag much less a mess with Iran, Russia or even a street gang in South Chicago………

If this one thing is above Obama’s “paygrade”, one wonders what else will be. I wonder how pro-abortion people would feel thinking about the possibility that their mother might have chosen that option. I wonder what life would be like today if Abraham Lincoln’s mother, Einstein’s mother, Martin Luther King’s mother, Marie Curie’s mother, or any other mother of the greatest minds of our history had chosen that option…..If Bill Gates’ mother had chosen that option we wouldn’t be speaking this way today….Thank God those mothers didn’t make that choice, I’m sure that many of them had the same difficult circumstances that women do today and they chose life……

I am not a religious person and I don’t see this as being an issue about religion. The only people who can tell you when life begins are the women who knew the day they conceived or the women who have had abortions and live with the guilt. They’re the only ones who really know when a life begins. Obama and others want politicians, judges or science to tell us when life begins. Any intelligent, spiritual person can tell you that it begins at conception. The people who believe otherwise chose to ignore the truth because it doesn’t fit into their agenda and expectations. Obama seems to live his life that way and that’s why he flip flops all over the place.

Let me interpret here, folks… when Obama says “it is above his pay grade” what he’s saying is that he cannot answer the question, and neither can anyone. By being pro choice he is for individual rights… it is a mother’s choice whether to commit murder or not… no one else can tell her what is right and wrong… what is good and bad. And actually self determination and individual choice are strong conservative values (have you cons forgotten?). Of course abortion is “wrong”!… who in their right mind could actually say it is “right”… the question is whether it should be allowed by law. I see McLame as taking the easy way out by simply saying abortion should be illegal. He will get the vote of all the unthinking sheep who are too lazy to think about the true underlying issue of individual freedom.

This is worth repeating. Thanks Rufus. You show intelligence and heart which I don’t see in a lot of comments here:

It absolutely matters at what point the baby’s “human life” status is recognized. For one human’s life trumps the “freedom” of another. A person’s freedom, or individual liberty, ends at the point where it infringes upon the freedom, or individual liberty, of another. That seemingly thinking people don’t understand this point is exasperating. The question of life is absolutley integral to the issue of abortion. Life trumps “choice”. Am i “free to choose” to walk away from a fatal car accident that I caused? NO! Even though the loss of that “choice” may have very negative consequences, I do not get to “choose” a destructive choice. This is why pro-life is really opposed by “pro-death”… not pro-choice. If you could demonstrate that life begins at the arbitrary moment of departure from the womb, that would be a compelling argument; however, modern science contiues to prove the opposite. Everything we have learned in recent decades points to beginning of this unique, human life at conception, when the unique personal DNA is formed. Every study shows how the stages of development inside the womb are no different than after departure (birth). This primitive form of denial where we kill the child before we can “see” it is a denial of reality and refusal to accept the very real consequences of behavior tha tin the vast majority of cases was completely voluntary, if irresponsible. Most of us on the pro-life side have even conceded to allowing abortions in the case of rape to eliminate the cases where the mother had no part in the real “choice” (fertilization). This in an effort to save the (over 98%) babies produced by sexual behavior the mother consented to. The “pro-choice” crowd does not make any similar concessions, even blocking the right of parents, charged with the health and welfare of their under-age daughters, to be informed, let alone decide. On top of all of this and on a purley legal front, there is absolutely NOTHING in the U.S. Constitution that speaks to the issue of abortion, privacy, or the so-called “right to choose”. The Roe v Wade decision has absolutely no constitutional support. Please show me where in the Constitution this so-called “right” is defined or protected.

– Posted by Rufus

there is a price to be paid for everything we do and don’t do…HOW DARE OBAMA put a price or pay scale
on taking a stand on this issue….SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on him. I know poor people on the streets who make enough
money to answer this question…how dare that man make
this issue so trivial…this just makes me sick to my
stomach that this man has gotten as far as he has…shame
on him and shame on our country!

The ”punished with a baby” was of course misconstrued. He did not say that every baby is a punishment, he said that for the mistake of having sex and either not using the proper protection, or having that protection fail, a young woman should not have to be forced to carry out a pregnancy if she is emotionally and financially totally unfit to care for that baby.
I just love the unrealistic arm chair pastors in here who are above it all. YOUNG, UNMARRIED PEOPLE ARE HAVING SEX! YES THERE! That it goes against your beliefs is totally irrelevant, not you and not anybody else will prevent that. Sure we can stick it to them, yeah, no abortions in the united states! Well they’ll just travel to a country where they can get that done. How did that help exactly?
Barack is realistic here. Educate kids about sex, pregnancy. Enable those who would get an abortion because they simply can’t afford a child with financial help. Make adoption easier when a woman just is unfit to be a mother and is thus conflicted with abortion vs adoption.
I will say it again, you can cry pro-life all you want, I respect your opinion. But don’t force it on others and most of all, be realistic and stop pretending that you can live in a world where no woman ever would want to terminate a pregnancy.
McCain represents the simpleton attitude LIFE AT CONCEPTION OMG AND NO ABORTION EVER. Great sound bite, but unrealistic, out of touch and simplistic.
It isn’t a simple issue, and Barack made clear he understands that. He just should have used a different wording than the pay grade thing.

To say it’s above your pay grade sounds like you’re a government worker only doing the minimum of what you have to do. This guy wants to be the most powerful person in the world, and thinks having an opinion is too much for him?? What happens when something really tough comes up? Obama is an empty-headed suit who’s able to repeat a speech someone else has written, and that’s all.