Obama says pointed abortion query “above his pay grade”
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DALLAS – U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about abortion on Saturday by “mega-pastor” Rick Warren during a televised forum.
Asked at what point a baby gets “human rights,” Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: “… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.”
He went on to reiterate his view that it was important to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who followed Obama onto the stage of the nationally televised event, was more blunt and more emphatic.
He said a baby’s human rights began “at the moment of conception … I have a 25-year pro-life record.”
Both candidates were vying for the “faith vote,” in particular the one in four U.S. adults who count themselves as evangelical.
Obama took questions first from Warren and McCain followed. The two shared the stage together briefly.
Some centrist evangelicals have said they appreciate moves by the Democratic Party to “soften” the edges of its pro-choice stand by stressing the need to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions — and by also working harder in areas like adoption.
But for many conservative evangelicals — a key part of the evangelical base — life begins at conception and the argument ends there.
The issue remains one of the most divisive and partisan in America — as Obama and McCain highlighted on Warren’s stage.
(Additional reporting by Jeff Mason)
(Photo credit: REUTERS/Rebecca Cook, Files, USA)
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I find it interesting that the moderator controls thought here… If there is truth in what I say then you know the truth and suppress it… I find this deeply disturbing but not surprising…
0bama’s answer shows why he’s the candidate of “hope”… he gives very few specifics, so you can only “hope” his views and policies are good for you. Vote for someone who has the courage to answer the questions and state his positions, a real American hero like John McCain.
Obama’s answer regarding abortion reveals that his only concern about the issue is that a significant plurality of his supporters favor the right to have one. He was unable to give a substantive answer on the merits. But this is not just Obama’s problem. Anyone who has had a child and has seen the sonogram of the fetus whose heart is already beating within six weeks of conception knows that abortion means taking a life. The political argument centers on whether women should be forced to deal with reality that they have created life. Most would prefer not to and politicans want their votes.
OBAMA IS A DISGRACE!!!!! Besides saying that unborn children have no rights, he also does not believe that babies accidently born alive after a failed abortion deserve the right to life. Look at his voting record while he was in the Illinois Senate. Obama’s articulate words cannot cover his very cold heart!!!! Don’t let the smiles fool you!
You Christian spiritualists make me puke. You are proof that there was no intelligent design because if you had been designed it was as fools. Obama referred to God as above his paygrade and as usual subtleties are as lost on you as is grammar. Spiritually speaking, life begins when a man and a woman decide to have a baby. The embryo is relevant only to their desire. Embryos are interchangeable and disposable but the will to responsibly reproduce is immutable.
The “above my pay grade” line will be used in countless Republican ads to come I am sure
My question is this…if abortion is made illegal via constitutional amendment what happen next. No one in the anti-abortion movement seems to talk about the consequences of success. There are thousands of kids that need a home right now. We have millions of Christian families that could take them in but they don’t. What happens when through legislation we drastically increase the amount of kids that need homes. I never seem to hear Christians talk about the criminalization of abortion. If you outlaw it there must be some consequence to having or performing an abortion. What will the penalty become. Nobody seems to be talking about the obvious need to increase public assistance to mothers should abortion be banned. Nor do I ever hear from Christian sources the need to reduce these pregnancies through contraception. The pro-life movement should really discuss these issues in public to better explain their position. Just saying that we want to save life is not enough. You really need to have a solid well thought out plan.
any pollsters out there?
you can mark one “undecided” to “McCain”
Asking when human rights begins is indeed a trick question to the non=Christian. In the world of human rights when does being a human begin? At what point does man become man and not a dog or a cat?
View the candidates answers….was their answer as a view that the question was a trick?
“Wow – this has nothing to do with whether or not he’s pro-life or pro-choice. This has everything to do with him not willing to make a decision and stick to it, regardless of what some people might think of him.”
Again, nonsense.
He’s been quite clear in his thoughts about action (legislation).
He begged off on a question, choosing to take it in its philosophical question. He probably hoped that that would save him some grief from certain quarters.
Little did he know that some would try to make a fuss over his not getting philosophical.
The fact that so many people do not understand what Obama implies with a phrase like “above my pay grade” is the reason why men like Bush get elected. The complete and utter ignorance of Americans makes me ashamed. Perhaps McCain and Obama should be interviewing with top educators and discussing their views on the dismal state of our public schools? Maybe a discourse on the growing legions of moronic adults in our great (sic) nation would point a true light into why so many Americans are finding themselves in enormous debit. Perhaps basic math should become the focus of the Presidential race, and not complex moral and religious issues that provide for excellent TV ratings but will in no way improve the strength of our country or the quality of our citizens. Tell me how banning abortions or same-sex unions will improve America? How will that increase our GDP? How will that end poverty? How will that fix our Healthcare system or our schools? How will forcing the government to pass laws to regular our nation’s “moral compass” end drug use or insure we all have enough money to retire?
Time’s up. It won’t. So, please stop filling blogs with mindless drivel about Obama skirting the question. People in other countries can read these comments. You’re making us appear like bumbling idiots.
“Above my pay grade?!” Are you kidding me? This guy is “the anointed one” and yet he states that he isn’t smart enough or wise enough to make a decision that he finds difficult. It seems to me that he is ALWAYS deferring the tough decisions to others. The United Nations. Ahmadinejad. Castro, just to name a few. We don’t need a president incapable of LEADING this Nation!
I want a President who is willing to state an opinion and follow up on it. Not some wishy-washy, touchy-feely, limp-wristed, spaghetti-spined politician who is incapable of stating an opinion for fear of being disliked by half of his audience, and unwilling to back up his opinion. Instead, we have a former community-activist who has not just a thin-resume, but basically a blank sheet. Ask the citizens of Chicago about the Utopia that Obama created there!
I’m just utterly astonished at the swooning masses that follow this guy! We haven’t seen a crowd of blind sheeple since the Third Reich. Sieg heil!
.. and let’s see if Reuters deletes THIS post, my second attempt!
answer’ we’ll get from you as President when you get that 3 a.m. call? Will that decision be above your pay grade as well?
- Posted by shazbot21
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You comparing a 3am clear cut decision of we are under a attack, to where and what is conception and what choice a woman have in her right to give life or dont.
you are as nutty and delusional as so many outhere.
So many EXPERTS in the world beyond Obama haven’t come up with something, whats next!! you expect Barack to find a CURE for CANCER; and if he CAN’T he is not FIT to LEAD.
this debate was great. it showed how miserable barak obama is in real life. he couldn’t make a decision if it hit him in the head. mccain was very decisive in his decisions. barak has never reached across the isle to the republicans so what change will he bring? seems just more liberal hoopla to the detriment of americans.
For those of you that have used my response in your responses –
I’m well aware of what Mr. Obama meant when he said ‘above my pay grade’ – he meant that it’s a decision that’s left to a ‘higher power’ than himself.
BUT…
Everyone has an opinion on this issue, and I took his response to mean that he was unwilling to take a position at that time during that forum. I take his ‘non-response’ as a sign of a lack of leadership – i.e. being unwilling to take a stand or make a decision. A true leader is willing to make the tough calls, and he did not make the tough call.
I’m no fan of McCain, but he made the call on the same question, even though he knew that about 1/2 of the folks viewing would agree, and 1/2 would not. He made the call anyway.
Mr. Obama, with his response, was trying to have it both ways. You can’t do that and be a true leader.
I’m leaving a blank coment, because thats what Obama is.
“You comparing a 3am clear cut decision of we are under a attack, to where and what is conception and what choice a woman have in her right to give life or dont.”
Posted by Marla
Um, Marla – do you really think a 3 a.m. call would be clear cut? How to respond to an attack/threat is clear cut? Really? I’ll bet I could fill this forum with scenarios that would not be clear cut. It takes someone with leadership skills to make those tough decisions, knowing that some people will agree and some will not, and you have to deal with the arm chair quarterbacking you’re inevitably going to get.
Again, Mr. Obama’s repsonse showed me that he’s trying to have it both ways, and he just can’t.
If this issue is at the top of someone’s “To Elect” check-off list, then people obviously have yet to learn what problems we’re running into nationally. This is a “soft” issue, or simply put a social issue. I still can’t fathom why anyone cares so much about this. The government doesn’t FORCE anyone to have an abortion; in the event the procedure is deemed absolutely necessary, its done by ones own free will. I know people who have had it done, and its a life lesson that creates great amounts of guilt and emotional turmoil. No one coasts through it with a big smirk and filled with glee to hurt Evangelicals ideals. Some people rather just not give birth till they’re ready, or at all- and if it occurs regrettably, should not someone have the freedom to this choice? Just as everyone should have the choice to own a gun (and all the consequences that come with it), the right to not give birth at a pre-determined threshold should also be a choice (with indeed the likewise consequences of it). Just my two cents, sorry if you see otherwise. Maybe to persuade some, an absolute fact: McCain will not be able to overturn Roe V. Wade even if he is elected President. Consider how the present Supreme Court has ruled, even with Bush-nominated & approved judges on the bench.
i would like for Obama to provide a list of all questions that are above his pay grade so that i can make an informed choice for president.
Do you notice how Obama never actually answered a single question?
When it came to the “when life begins” question, he never, never answered it. Did anyone actually hear an answer to the question? I didn’t.
Obama = same old politician. Barak “TheSame” Obama.
Obama couldn’t take a stance in a standing contest. How he can bloviate and say nothing , and still have any sort of base , is beyond me.
It shows you that his constituents are not even listening to him. If they were, they would become Republicans.
Here’s how it went: Warren invited both candidates to come and talk with him. Each candidate received one hour with Warren where he asked them some interview questions. It sounded like he (Warren) provided the questions to the candidates before hand. (Obama commented that he “cheated” and researched one of the questions Warren posed to him, so that is where I’m getting that assumption.)
How soon, how SOON we forget 2000 when it was Bush and Kerry. These exact same conversations were taking place – Bush was a quick decider and therefore “smart” (GAG ME), and Kerry would want to “discuss” things first, which made him weak.
Flash forward six, seven, eight years to the lessons we have learned, and listen to our top generals tell us that this is a war that can’t be won militarily, it has to be won with negotiation.
Who’s dumb now? Who squandered our nation’s wealth and lives of thousands of young men and women now? For the love of God and all that’s holy, LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE PAST EIGHT YEARS and don’t be fooled by an old egotist who thought the Rick Warren discussion was really a child’s game of whoever answers first and shortest is the winner. We have LIVES at stake.
Besides, Rick Warren is CFR. Google it.
I’m a Republican and a Christian, but there is a whole lot about McCain I don’t like. However, McCain showed with his direct and brutally honest answers that he is a man of character, experience, and substance. Obama showed a serous lack of substance and that he is a weasel when facing tough questions. The most important question was “who would you NOT have nominated for the Supreme Court?” The two candidates’ answers reveal all any Christian needs to know to make a choice in this election. This event confirms my theory that Obama will have big trouble showing real substance during the final debate season from now until the election. Bottom line: McCain has now earned my vote. Finally, hats off to Pastor Rick Warren and others for a wonderfully done forum. This forum was a hundred times superior to the ridiculous primary debates, which were designed and manipulated by the dinosaur media.
First, denying a woman an abortion is not “forcing” that woman to give birth. That choice was made (unless, of course, she was raped) by the woman when she and the father had intercourse. I don’t think the state forces women to have intercourse.
With freedom comes responsibility, and without responsibility, true freedom does not exist; the two are inseparable. A couple who chooses to have intercourse, and thus a child, should not be given the inhumane “out” of abortion; this out only fosters a continuation of the dangerous
Second, it was the intent of the founders for the government to serve protect three interests of its individual citizens, those being life, liberty, and property (which they do poorly, especially because they confiscate property all of the time). Abortion is a selfish, barbaric, and cruel procedure that kills life. It may be cliche, but abortion truly stops a beating heart. If there is one interest the government should protect, it is the life of an innocent child.
It is logically inconceivable that governments can protect the interests of dogs via animal cruelty statutes better than it can human fetuses.
Finally, as a Catholic, I am ashamed that
Bravo to Obama for refusing to rise to Warren’s bait. Unfortunately, intelligent answers aren’t what the vast majority of simple-minded American dolts want. I’m sure Hannity and Limbaugh will have a field day with this, as they’re always able to skillfully hone in on what their brain-dead followers want to hear.
How soon, how SOON we forget 2000 when it was Bush and Kerry. These exact same conversations were taking place – Bush was a quick decider and therefore “smart” (GAG ME), and Kerry would want to “discuss” things first, which made him weak.
Flash forward six, seven, eight years to the lessons we have learned, and listen to our top generals tell us that this is a war that can’t be won militarily, it has to be won with negotiation.
Who’s dumb now? Who squandered our nation’s wealth and lives of thousands of young men and women now? For the love of God and all that’s holy, LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE PAST EIGHT YEARS and don’t be fooled by an old egotist who thought the Rick Warren discussion was really a child’s game of whoever answers first and shortest is the winner. We have LIVES at stake.
Besides, Rick Warren is CFR – using war and religion to accomplish one world order since …..
(Sorry…to finsish my thought)
As a Catholic, I am ashamed that so many can support a candidate like Barack Obama. This is a non-negotiable issue, and to hold otherwise separates the person from the Church. On the other hand, studies have shown Catholics who regularly attend Mass hold beliefs consistent with the Church.
@shazbot21:
“I take his ‘non-response’ as a sign of a lack of leadership”
Right – because REAL LEADERS pretend to know the answers when they don’t!
Listen man, it’s OK to say you don’t know the answer to a question. It really is. Bush and Rove have you brainwashed into believing it’s better to pretend to know the answers than to admit that you don’t. We need to put that way of “thinking” behind us.
I think it is to his credit that Obama gave thoughtful answers to the questions, instead of canned sound-bites and rehashed chunks from his stump speech. It shows that he took the questions seriously, and respected the intelligence of his audience. McCain’s cartoonish pandering should be called out for being such, not applauded.
For crying out loud, it is clear that “above my pay grade” is a (yes slightly smarmy) allusion to the fact that some existential questions are simply beyond the capacity for *any* human being (yes even presidential candidates) to answer with true authority, so let’s acknowledge that fact and still concentrate on the common ground… *minimize* through prevention unwanted pregnancies going forward.
Reading these responses, one thing is clear. Far too many Republicans believe that the President is God.
“When does life begin?” Attn Liberals: Take a course in biology! Do you think the sperm and the egg are in some way “non-living?” Your thinking is stuck in 19th century scientific ignorance, OR… maybe you do not want to know the truth because in a moment of sheer terror when you were younger you were persuaded to have an abortion. If so, forgive yourself and try to prevent other women from making the same mistake.
Obama 08 –
The problem with your theory is that Bush ran against Kerry in 2004, not 2000. What’s happened since 2004? Well, the Democrats took control in 2006 when the economy was fairly robust, and gas prices were at $2.25 a gallon. Remember, Pelosi announced that her regime would be “open,” and above reproach. She also ran on the agenda of “Change,” and promised she would “do something” about high gas prices.
Well .. she sure did SOMETHING about gas prices, and the bottom fell out of the economy for the first time in 5 years! So much for “CHANGE!”
Blame Bush all you want for the failed first two or three years of post-war Iraq, but you aren’t capable of making an intelligent decision regarding our future President if you are unwilling to spread the blame around to Congress, not just Bush!
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/08 /16/obama-says-pointed-abortion-query-a bove-his-pay-grade/#comment-370408
Er: Question about Catholics & BHO (abortionists):
Jack,
I, as a practicing Catholic, regret that as with many “types” of humans (even including my fellow Catholics) a certain percentage will prove unintelligent beyond belief. How one can be a Christin of ANY type & vote for undefined CHANGE (to Marxism); for a trickster refusing to answer fundamental questions with a SIMPLE Yes or No, is beyond me. I understand smart people but do not understand stupid, or willfully ignorant people.
Vote FREEDOM, vote GOP!
James T. Gordon – Catholic Christian!
PS – I do not believe it will be overwhelming for BHO. I pray Catholics will send a surprisingly large majority to JSM; real, tangible CHANGE you can live with.
August 16th, 2008 10:41 pm GMT
How the Catholics can overwhelmingly vote for Democrat pro-choice candidates is perplexing. I thought Catholics were pro-life.
- Posted by Jack Allen
Actually, no Catholics support abortion.
In Roman Catholic Canon Law, Canon No.915 provides for automatic and immediate excommunication of anyone obtaining an abortion, assisting in that regard and/or supporting the policy or those who affect that policy.
Therefore, if you support a pro-abortion candidate, you are automatically excommunicated and are no longer a Catholic.
As a result, 0% of Catholics support abortion. But there are a bunch who CALL or think of themselves as Catholics who subscribe to this wholly immoral practice and an ignorant media lets them continue to record them as Catholics.
So if you think you’re Catholic and vote for Obama, better get to confession and contact your bishop about remedying the excommunication, or your vote will have cost you eternity. Good luck…and goodbye.
The Times May 16, 2008
PS – From James Gordon to dolceluce, a “former Catholic”:
You sir are not a Catholic!
I doubt you are even a member of the GOP & you certainly are committing sin by claiming to be Catholic. You disowned the Church when you committed the sin of sponsoring abortion promoters. YOU need to understand that BHO does not care & BHO actually “voted” to empower the state with authority to murder human babies that survive abortion! So NO you are NOT Catholic & are no mor ethan a “pretend” (R), like a KBG or an Islamic spy.
James Gordon, Catholic Christian
PS – I assume you are also a “closet” MoveOn.org type.
and
PPS: regarding your ignorant statement of: “pay for that decision is the mother because it will be on her when it is her time to be judged in the eyes of God.” So read this carefully dolceluce, if you dare: Evil is: “the absence of empathy” and “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)
AND maybe you should read this: http://www.intellectualconservative.com/ article3474.html about CANON 915 or this: http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles /primerc915.htm
August 17th, 2008
5:52 pm GMT
I am a catholic, a republican, and am pro-choice. I personally believe that abortion is wrong, however it is not for me to make that decision for ever other woman. Forcing someone else to conform to your morality is also (to me) wrong, because having a baby is something that is the most personal decision you can ever make. In the end the only person who has to pay for that decision is the mother because it will be on her when it is her time to be judged in the eyes of God.
- Posted by dolceluce
FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DON’T UNDERSTAND ……………………..WHEN OBAMA SAID IT WAS ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE……………….THAT WAS A FIGURE OF SPEECH WHICH MEANT………………AS FAR AS ABORTION FROM A MORAL STAND POINT AND WHEN LIFE TRULY BEGINS, THAT IS FOR GOD TO JUDGE…………….. IT IS A FIGURE OF SPEECH, HE’S SAYING THAT I CAN NOT JUDGE WHETHER A WOMAN HAVING AN ABORTION IS RIGHT OR WRONG ……………..ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE HER……………SERIOUS PEOPLE YOU GUYS TAKE EVERYTHING SOOOOOOOOOOOO LITERAL. I HONESTLY THINK THATS WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T LIKE HIM BECAUSE THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND HIM. HE ACTUALLY TRIES TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO PEOPLE FROM A REAL STAND POINT BUT WE ARE ALL STILL SO DELUDED FROM LISTENING TO BS ALL THESE YEARS THAT WE DON’T UNDERSTAND SOMEONE WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO BE HONEST AND FORTHRIGHT.
If the Messiah Mccain “knows” life begins at conception why would he make a statement like this “certainly in the short term, or even-the long-term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” Of course, the “pro-life president” now wants to overturn it.
Or why would he say he is against the nomination of Ginsberg, etc. after having voted for them. Who is the real panderer?
To AMB:
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Let’s break this down to the real brass tacks. Most folks are aware of Mr. Obama’s track record on abortion and abortion rights, and can we agree that they lean to the pro-choice side? That’s no secret, and he’s provided much more definitive answers to abortion questions in the past.
Why couldn’t he provide that same kind of response in this situation? Again – I take it back to being unwilling to make the call, because the members of that particular audience would be disagreeing with his response. That’s not what a leader does.
I think Hiliary would have given a more definitive response, even when she knew it’d be unpopular with the audience. She did it during the campaign, and held her head high while doing it.
And, just for the record, I’m not a fan of McCain, Clinton, OR Obama. Or Bush or Cheney for that matter.
I believe this country deserves better than these people.
Mccain was awful all Mccain did was talk about the war Mccain vision for ths country is go to war killing many sons and daughters and husbands and wives with no questions ask. I agree with Senator Obama. Obama is not saying abortion should be but is pro life because he is saying the Judgement, the decision of having an abortion lies with the individual one must trust in one’s faith to make the choice that is right before God, We can not have our governments making that choice for us. Legislation can not deter a choice of free will.
Obviously nobody knows when “life” begins. If we were to rule that zygotes get full human rights, then it could create serious legal issues for mothers. Obama was right to dodge this question – it was a trap from the fundies to get him to commit to pro life legislation. Obama should have never agreed to that debate – religion and politics don’t mix.
The ‘above my pay grade” comment may in fact refer to a higher power as ‘shazbot21′ has remarked. That higher power though may be one which Sen. Obama in a more complex and differential answer would be very well-capable to explain, considering his background as a Constitutional professor and lawyer, as having more to do with the Supreme Court and the legal system of the U.S.
After all, the precedents and arguments of U.S. courts are a power alone that the President of the U.S. cannot in some degree of his powers control. Hence, he can’t overturn Roe v. Wade either way he chooses or concocts to do so. These institutions of democracy, such as the Supreme Court, are hypothetically why Sen. Obama gave such a gray answer- its not within the purview of his position. Consider this, if he were elected with the promise to overturn Roe v. Wade, even if he were to put to nomination the most possibly conservative candidates to the Supreme Court, these people would have to be confirmed by the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is presently a majority liberal Democratic and moderate Republican Senate committee. Four more years of Bush policies just so the SJC can maybe appoint one ultra-conservative judge? Not worth it.
Further think about the “conservative” Bush-nominated and approved judges we have on today’s Supreme Court. They decided to keep Roe v. Wade, because it’d go against the same grain decisions as ‘gun rights’ and ‘voting rights’ went by, therefore leaving those rights to be overturned.
I recommend people worry about the three E’s: the economy, the environment, and endeavors abroad (taking more of our military to countries we alone should not be involved in! right??)
Seriously, you transparent bozos… Nobody in this blog, or the people in that “church” were going to vote for Obama no matter how he answered the question. Had he said, I’m pro-choice, and believe that abortion should be a women’s choice, you’d be all tearing him apart for that answer just as much. Get off it, and stop pretending that this was a defining moment in you deciding to vote Republican. I can see right through you.
McCain had both arms and shoulders broken and had to set them himself. He never broke. Obama still can’t quit smoking. Obama says abortion decisions are “above his pay grade.” What doe he mean? Does it mean he is not smart enough to figure out an answer. Obama is a wimp!
If the comment – above my pay grade – means it’s up to God – then I’m pretty sure God has sent his word about abortion out loud and clear – thou shalt not commit murder! If the government agencies wouldn’t make people jump through such hoops to adopt – forcing them to go to other countries – the so-called unwanted pregnancies could provide a loving family with a baby and an ‘unwanted’ child with a loving home!
Senator Obama is a typical Democrat politician. Answering the questions of Pastor Warren allegoricaly. In other words not really answering them. I am a farmer. I live and work in Nature. We plant a seed it germinates we call it life. A flower on a fruit tree is pollinated we have the creation of something that is alive and it grows and matures. A chicken lays a fertile egg it is life. A bull mounts a a cow life begins. Is there any question when human life begins physiologically or otherwise? Maybe Senater Obama needs to step down to my pay grade and learn something about LIFE.
Peter Van Dyke
Gilroy, Ca.
“Is above my pay grade.” Sounds like Pontus Pilate washing his hands all over again!
I read all these responses waiting for someone to recount what Obama said, and so far no one has gotten it. When he said “Above my pay grade” he was saying that the decision on when life started was one for God to make, not Obama.
I am amazed that none of the so-called “Christians” out there figured that one out.
Obama thinks science doesn’t EASILY know when life begins? The answer to this is not above any 5th grade biology student’s “pay grade” — human life begins at conception. What does he think happens when human sperm and human egg meet? Fish life? Dog life? Duh… it’s HUMAN LIFE and it happens at conception. C’mon guys this is not the debatable part of the issue here!
I have read some of the posts above, and come away with the feeling that the majority of commenters are not willing to sacrifice any more babies to this cruel abortion scenario that we have today.
How could any of you be for killing babies out of convenience as a problem for you that some common sense and a small portion of prudence could prevent.
Baraq Osamma Husein Nobama does not deserve the pay grade of POTUS, much less USCIC. He will not win. Tough cookies liberal commies and socialists.
If Obama, takes a stance on something like this, he will sound terrible. He knows what is in his heart. He knows that he voted to have a baby that survived an abortion, to still be killed.
He knows if he admits he is a marxist or believes in the philosophy he will not be voted in. That is why he claims it to be name calling? To me, if you believe in something strong enough you should stand by it. But too back door his marxist tendencies and his abortion beliefs is a huge lapse in character.
For those that don’t know what is a marxist belief, here is an example, taking the profits of a corporation and redistributing it to the masses. So, not only does the government, under Obama tax corporations, but they will take their profits as well. Or at least he will actually tr to pass such a resolution. Thus giving all the power to the US government to do as they see fit. If they think you make too much money, they will take it from you and give it to someone else they feel is more deserving. If that does not scare anybody then either you are a marxist or you don’t have any sense of history.
Change for changes sake is never a good thing. People are so enamored with his ability to speak off of a teleprompter, that they take that as a sign of intelligence. Take him off the teleprompter and have him “Freestyle,” and you will see the real Obama. However, the media is very reluctant to show that side of him.
Remember, this is a man who is still in his first term in the senate. A man who voted 92 times on issues by saying “Present.” That may not seem like a big deal, but to me it shows a real lack of focus. And with this lack of focus and this lack of experience, he is inches away from being the President of the United States. I don’t care if you are black, white, green or yellow, judge this man on his experience, not just because he is a mulatto, presenting himself as a black man. Color is not even an issue. The issues are the issues. The color of his skin is moot, yet he is the one bringing it up. That is another story in-of-itself….
In reading over the above I was struck, as I so often am when reading blogs surrounding the issue of abortion, the absolutely hateful language used by many of the pro choice folks, name calling, put downs etc.; ironic, they insist on the importance of “choice” but when people disagree with their point of view they resort to personal attacks. What gives?