McCain “disappointed” that media declared debate a tie

September 27, 2008

mccain3.jpgWASHINGTON – Republican White House hopeful John McCain, fresh from his first debate with Democratic rival Barack Obama in Mississippi, expressed regret on Saturday that his performance didn’t win over all the pundits in the press.
 
“I was a little disappointed the media called it a tie but I think that means, when they call it a tie, that means we win,” McCain said during a telephone call that was caught by cameras filming him at his campaign headquarters.
 
Both camps claimed victory after the 90-minute debate on Friday.
 
Meanwhile, Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, sought to lower expectations for the next debate in Tennessee on Oct. 7. It will be conducted in a town-hall style with questions from an audience.
 
“We will be a decided underdog in that encounter, and John McCain is the undisputed town hall champion,” Plouffe told reporters on a conference call, noting that McCain — who is fond of the format — had challenged Obama to do joint town hall meetings throughout the summer.
 
“He clearly feels, even more than the foreign policy debate, this is his home turf. So if we can just escape relatively unscathed against the undisputed town hall champion in Tennessee, we’ll be thrilled.”
 
Obama has held regular town halls of his own throughout the 2008 campaign and does not appear to struggle with the format.

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Photo credit: Reuters/Brian Snyder (McCain talks on the phone at his campaign headquarters in Arlington, Virginia, on Sept. 27)
 

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Almost all the polls show Obama winning the first debate by double digits. Why? Because he was presidential, respectful, concise, measured, and composed. This tells me that the Republican spite and snarl is beginning to turn people off. Obama got in his jabs – but also had to contend with sloppy moderation and an opponent who showed disrespect to the borders of contempt. If Obama resorted to this sort of tactic – even in fair retaliation – he would have been lamblasted by the MSM. It’s true that Obama had to spend much time defending himself against McCain’s arrogant barbs – but he acquitted himself well and for the most part, batted them all away. There are more debates – more chances – and more ammunition to use against McCain. He can do better – but I thought he did well and played it smart.

Posted by Daniel Staniforth | Report as abusive

I noted that during the debate last evening McCain did not look at Obama or make eye contact with him. This morning, on the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle
this was again repeated. McCain was not looking at Obama
but Obama was looking directly at him. What is the meaning of this peculiar behavior? Is he afraid that Obama might see something in his eyes? Or is he simply refusing, in this primitive behavior, to recognize his existence?

McSame is out of touch with the modern world. It wasn’t the MEDIA that called it a tie, it was the people who watched it, and 1/2 of them are brain dead and think McSame won it. The half that has a functioning brain saw our next president whip McSame’s lying butt.

Posted by sfrose | Report as abusive

Y’all can buy in to the “Aw Shucks” Hype The campaign is selling…. If you choose to. Fact is … Once Obama got past the first debate…The rest will be a cakewalk.

Posted by Bubba | Report as abusive

Obama presidential? He kept referring to his opponent by his first name “John” constantly – yet no one in the media noted it. If McCain would’ve said something like, “Now Barack, you know that’s not correct” – the media and bloggers would be up in arms about “lack of respect” – it was universally a tie – not sure what websites you’ve been looking at – the DNC’s site? CBS News? MSNBC? Yes, those are bastions of impartiality aren’t they?

Posted by Michael Reed | Report as abusive

So the Obama team is already downplaying expectations for the next debate. This after they downplayed expectations for the first, and then claimed that since Obama didn’t get absolutely smashed in the first debate he must be the winner. We should all remember the last team to play the reduced debate expectations game — the Bush team. So keep cheering for Obama — another presidential candidate seeking to win by lowering the bar. Great for America!!!

Posted by Ron Cohen | Report as abusive

I am disappointed too. McLame looked like a frustrated child as Obama picked apart his canned statements with ease.
McLame offered no substance at all. Obama was detailed and busted McLame on ever lie he told.

It was not even close.

Palin/Biden is next. Ten bucks says he has her crying in frustration in the first 20 mins.

It’s almost over.

I watched the entire debate, and was stricken by McCain’s obvious rudeness. He ignored the moderator’s calls to end his comments, and forced Obama to insist on rebuttal time.

His refusal, or inability to look at Obama was a real puzzler to me. Even when the moderator urged him to “speak to [Obma] directly, he stared stubbornly ahead.

The answers were boilerplate campaignspeak, but the actions of both candidates showed me who I want in the White House next year. I opt for grace and thoughtfulness. No one with half a brain can wonder for whom I will vote.

Posted by Jerry Ulibarri | Report as abusive

Want to thank Daniel for his concise and articulate description of the debate last night. Spot on.

Oh yes….The wait for Thursday night will be like a kid waiting for Christmas.

Posted by Bubba | Report as abusive

Michael Reed, don’t jump to conclusions. About 15 minutes after the debate the news station I was watching declared that Obama called McCain “John” while McCain kept saying “Senator.”
However, instead of lack of respect, it shows me how much more comfortable and personable Obama can be in comparison to McCain. I think it shows serious fear that McCain couldn’t even look at Obama, haha.

Am McCain won! As be better, am tell things good. Obama am lie, as not know to do with terorists! Palin as keep eye on terror, as know to do, and McCain as tell truth. America #1!!!

MCain and Palin! As be get! As be get!

Am for McCain Palin, am say AS BE GET!!!!

Posted by Jimmybug | Report as abusive

Michael Reed wrote: “yet no one in the media noted it. If McCain would’ve said something like, “Now Barack, you know that’s not correct” – the media and bloggers would be up in arms about “lack of respect”

Nonsense. Desperate nonsense. McCain could have called him “Barack” and no one would have batted an eye. This is just another manufactored nontroversy by McCain supporters, but there’s no lipstick on this pig either.

Ron Cohen wrote: “So the Obama team is already downplaying expectations for the next debate.”

More desperate nonsense. The only ones playing the downplaying expectations game is the McCain campaign regarding the VP debate. They are vehemently trying to downplay expectations for Sarah Palin.

Posted by Anna Hudson | Report as abusive

As for Rob C…nice try, but it is McCain who has lowered the bar the entire campaign with his playground tactics like “suspending” his campaign to “resolve” the financial crisis. Let’s not even mention his lowering his standards by bringing Palin on board. That’s ok because Obama has shown time and time again that he is above people like yourself who try to bring him down to there level…kind of like McCain.

I was surprised to see McCain cowering. He was utterly unable to look Obama in the eye. Oddly, he somehow managed to look both angry and ashamed. (No wonder he doesn’t want to go face to face with with an enemy. They would walk all over him, behaving as he does like a scared and embittered child.) Only one person displayed Presidential Dignity and Authority: Obama.

Posted by patmac | Report as abusive

Wow – the press and many of you are so blind. McCain did not do everything right, nor did Obama. Obama was virtually crushed on Foreign Policy, however. Did no-one hear him say, for example, that if Pakistan did not crack down on militants and help (or something like that) that he would just “let them have it.” That is a virtual declaration of war! His position to sit down with the leader of Iran (and other such countries) and just chat without preconditions is also outstandingly naive…

The bias for Obama is impressive! If McCain or worse Palin had said that we will just let Pakistan “have it” the press would have had a field day. I am just so disappointed that after 8 years of Bush we now are facing Obama. Gore was far the intellectual superior of Obama, but would never have one as we don’t elect on intellect or credentials, we elect on the basis of charm and good looks. The press crushes Palin who is the only one of the 3 with any management experience and let’s ONE TERM OBAMA get away with virtually everything.

I have *always* voted with the democratic party, but this is a joke.

Posted by Benjamin Alper | Report as abusive

PALIN/mccain..The Bushies…Are a Bridge to nowhere.

…………….So I Say

…Thanks…But… No Thanks

Posted by Bubba | Report as abusive

‘Spot on’? What an idiot. You Obamacrats are about to find out that your meat doesn’t come from the grocery store. And, I really ‘hit the nail on the head with that one’. What morons. All dressed up like adults, but still living their parents’ basements. Stick a fork in them, they’re done.

Posted by SAM | Report as abusive

Paul Rafeal — didn’t you read the article: “Meanwhile, Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, sought to lower expectations for the next debate in Tennessee on Oct. 7.” That’s the problem with those who “believe” in Obama — ignoring reason and fact, giving in to emotion. You do have a choice — you can vote for someone who has dedicated his life to this country, or you can vote for someone WHO HAS NEVER SACRIFICED ANYTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY. Reason v. emotion. That is your choice. It is obviousl that Obama backers are emotionally driven, and their bad judgment will drive him in to the White House. When he gets there and fumbles and ets you down, maybe you’ll learn your lesson, maybe you’ll just latch on to the next smooth talker, or maybe four more years of incompetence on top of the last eight years of incompetence will be too much and bring this country to its knees. It’s your gamble, and no one is more likely to gamble than someone ruled by emotion.

Posted by Ron Cohen | Report as abusive

The media has already elected Obama to be President since the first day of the Democratic primary.

What is more news worthy to any newsman or women to be able to cover the “historical” moment..

That debate was clear that Mccain won. Obama appeared lost and was obvious he memorized the stuffs as he kept repeating the same few points over and deliberately switched topics so he can continue to repeat the same stuffs over and over.

Posted by Kratos | Report as abusive

I am totally afraid that if Obama were to become president he would really muck up foreign relations. Quite clearly John McCain has the experience and has been in touch with what is going on from beginning to end. Obviously, Obama has not a clue. He never did answer the question asked, “when and why haven’t you been to Afghanistan?” He surely sidestepped the issue. He is talking out of total inexperience. And worse, he hasn’t had any contact with these leaders. How can he say what he would do? He has no idea of what is really going on in the Middle East. Clearly John McCain does. So what if Obama has Charisma, that doesn’t make him smarter or more able to lead our country, it just makes him more likable. But, when he starts to try to socialize this country of freedom and democracy, I don’t think his charisma will take him very far. So far as I know Socialism has not worked for any country so far. And as I hear it, Socialism is Sen. Obama’s goal. Then there are his ties with racist and bigoted associates. That is really scary to me.

If candidate McCain is disappointed the media tended to think it was a tie — he must be downright depressed that polling insta-polls and focus groups seemed to indicate the regular voters thought Obama had actually won.

Sam…Sam…Sam…tsk tsk tsk! You neocons are just so blatantly unwilling to admit your boy, with all his (so-called) experience and years in government, just fired blanks all night! On top of that, he was obviously rude and unprofessional, and I guess McInsane doesn’t have enough nerve to look in his eyes as he lies!

Posted by Victoria | Report as abusive

McCain should sacrifice his dream of becoming the next President and remain in the Senate. He will be more effective as a Senator for the next few years because whoever inherits this economic mess is not going to enjoy the fame for long. Soon the effects of the bail out will be visible and people will want “heads”! President Obama’s true colors will surface and he will be looking for sand to hide his beautiful head.

Posted by Candace | Report as abusive

McCain had so many chances to blow O away, but did not take advantage of it. Friends and I think his campaign is purposely throwing this election. His behaviour of late is just too strange and coincidental – not the real mccain!

Posted by Candace | Report as abusive

What Democrats and Independents still out there on the fence need to understand is, even if Hillary was your choice, like she was mine, or you are older or white and just can”t feel cozy about Obama this race, this election, this country is not about Obama. It is about all of us and when you compare values and really look at who you are about to vote for or not vote for, Obama is the clear choice if you really want to see our country prosper and grow once again. Some of you may be lucky enough to have jobs, retirement or investments to fall back on, but millions of your fellow Americans don”t after what Bush and the Republicans have done to the USA. Do the right thing, not because you love Obama, but because you love America. Obama gives us a much better chance at survival in these impossible times for so many Americans. Don”t forget Biden either, there is no way no how Biden will allow the corruption, greed and ignorance we have seen in DC continue and he is a seasoned expert on foreign affairs. The Democratic ticket is a good one this election, don”t be on the wrong side of history and miss the chance to say you voted for the right team.

Obama / Biden

Posted by Democrats 08 | Report as abusive

Shockingly MCcain whipped Obama in all areas. Obama campaign should be feeling naked right now. Given the 1st round media gave it a tie. had it been the last round it would have been bye bye Obama!

I expect the opposite to happen in biden – palin…esp on foreign policy…

But one thing is for sure…Obama needs to polish up fast if he plans to COMPETE with Mccain in terms of depth… that a US president should have. cheers

Posted by shehryar ali | Report as abusive

If you truly are an undecided voter and haven’t seen Bill Moyer’s interview of Andrew Bacevich, you owe it to yourself and to your family to see this interview, and perhaps read Bacevich’s book, before you vote….

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/092620 08/watch.html

Posted by Ahmed | Report as abusive

I have never voted for a Democrat for president before. I am a fiscal and social conservative. By all rights I should be a solid McCain voter. But…

The debate Friday night confirmed for me a growing sense over the past month – that Obama, by temperament, by his preference for reflection and yes, his “coolness”, is better suited for president in this global, 21st century. While I appreciate the rugged, “go with the gut” cowboy persona, it was better suited for a Teddy Roosevelt presidency. In today’s world, I believe that John McCain is better suited to serve his country by continuing his maverick role in the Senate.

Posted by Keith M | Report as abusive

Some of the punditry may have called it a tie, but the regular voters polled call it a win for Obama.

Polls conducted by CNN, CBS, as well as two focus groups, (one by GOP pollster Frank Luntz and another by Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg), USA Today/Gallup and even Rasmussen (with a Republican house bias), all have Obama winning the first debate.

Posted by patwal | Report as abusive

The contrasts between the two were indeed glaring. I expect politicians to talk like politicians.

What McCain could not hide was the smirking, angry, disrespectful person he really is. After 8 years of that, I’m not voting for it again.

The people who referred to one senator referring to another senator as being disrespectful because he used his first name…your sheets are showing.

Posted by Indie | Report as abusive

Oh please. “Media” says “tie” according to McCain? Get over yourself. POLLS SAY OBAMA WON. Americans say Obama won. Obama was concise, polished, eloquent (without the teleprompter – HA!) and (despite less experience with foreign policy than McCain) equally informed. John McCain came off as winded and angry! His body language said it all. The “maverick” is scared. Could it be because McCain is losing in all aspects of the race? YES!

Posted by Stefanie | Report as abusive

“I was a little disappointed the media called it a tie but I think that means, when they call it a tie, that means we win,” McCain said…

he was supposed to be the foreign policy guru, the expert, the years of experience. soooo… i would say that he should have blown obama away. yet, many said tie, and polls say obama won.

how can that be rationalized as a win?

Posted by jim | Report as abusive

Say… I think McCain won handily. He showed great strength and insight. Obama talks a good game like Clinton did and although I voted for Clinton I learned from him that words can be deceiving and charming. McCain is a true American Hero! He is not job hopping or shopping like Obama.

Posted by Cindy | Report as abusive

Say… I think McCain won handily. He showed great strength and insight. Obama talks a good game like Clinton did and although I voted for Clinton I learned from him that words can be deceiving and charming. McCain is a true American Hero! He is not job hopping or shopping like Obama.

Posted by Cindy | Report as abusive

That photo shows McCain with all of those computers behind him. We know that he doesn’t know how to use a computer so this is just for the cameras.

Posted by larry | Report as abusive

McCain didn’t win a thing. He got up there and showed his true colors – a grumpy old man who loves to tell lies and be disingenuous.

He misstated history, policy and flat out lied.

I expect more than lies from a veteran/POW. As far as I’m concerned he has dishonored all veterans with his lies and behavior. American veterans are better than that and they deserve to have someone better than that to represent them.

Posted by MargaretO | Report as abusive

shehryar ali

Were you watching the same debate as everyone else? Was Obama’s answers too intellectual? Every focus group has Obama the winner. These are ordinary people not pundits. There is no way McCain won this debate. But even those who may think it was a tie, McCain still loses. This was McCain’s turf. He says he’s the foreign policy expert. But he got facts wrong and names wrong. He proposed nothing for future US relations with other countries around the world. He said absolutely nothing about how the world views us. And you really think he won? WOW!!

Posted by Sabreen60 | Report as abusive

Senator McCain has probably been a good Senator for many years. But age affects us and changes us. We should not measure the capability of a man over seventy by his performance when he was a younger man. Our judgement changes as we get older, and very often our temperament becomes more extreme and our behaviour more erratic.

Saying your opponent doesn’t understand is disrespectful. It is not the mark of a leader, or of a president. It is the mark of a man with low self-esteem.

Posted by Sue Wingrove | Report as abusive

McSame can “pretend” that he won the debate all he wants but that doesn’t make it reality. McSame seems to have a problem with reality and truth. What he did show the country is that he’s an old, angry, rude and classless man who has sold his integrity to win at all cost. He has proven that he does NOT put his country first but rather his own selfish ambitions. To seriously subject this country to the high risk of leaving Palin to run this country when at his advanced age and health history, is unforgivable! Palin can study for the debate, memorize the facts she’s been fed but that does not give her a serious grasp of the dire situations that this country faces! McSame is only for himself and Obama proved that he’s Presidential, smart and has good judgment, unlike McSame who has no judgment or bad judgment! He’ll just try to continue “tricking” the people of this country to focus on anything but the real issues because he has no real solutions, just lies and tricks! He proved himself to be a small UNFIT man! Mean spirited and bad tempered.

Posted by Susan Kunin | Report as abusive

McCain disappointed that he didn’t win debate? He’s surprised? After watching the debate, the first thing that struck me was that McCain infused his rhetoric with that snarky condescending tone that has become a permanent feature of the republican party. It was the same nasty snarky tone that was used at the RNC convention. I had very high hopes for Obama, but did expect McCain to hit a “home run” on foreign policy, which has been touted repeatedly in the media as his strong suit. Let me say, I was bitterly disappointed. Perhaps my expectations were a bit too high for McCain on that front. Obama struck me as calm, poised, and well versed in matters both economic and foreign. I keep hearing from Republicans that Obama isn’t knowledgeable on foreign policy. I find that quite intriguing as, can any republican justify to me how exactly McCain is knowledgeable on foreign policy? I noticed that he got the name of the new Pakistani president incorrect (he referred to him as Kidari), he either doesn’t know where Spain is (in an interview when asked about the prime minister of Spain he railed against Latin America…and then he didn’t know that Spain was a NATO ally). Also, he said that Pakistan had a failed state prior to the military coup by Musharaf, which is simply not true. He argued passionately for the military surge in Iraq, but didn’t lay out any specifics on how he would deal with Al Qaeda, the real culprits of 9/11. If, given all of this information, anyone can point out to me how exactly McCain is more “knowledgeable” I will be very interested to hear you make your case. I, for one, think that Obama had a very reasoned foreign policy perspective and it is not based on emotion, but rather intellect and the depth of his obvious knowledge on the matter. Living abroad at present, I can say that even our greatest ally, England has lost respect for us. I don’t feel that McCain is the right man to return the dignity and respect to our country that we have been lacking over the last eight years. Obama is the right choice for me.

Also, Benjamin Alper I was taken by your comment about intellect vs emotion. I acknowledge that emotion is what saddled our great nation with Bush, I would strongly disagree that McCain is the intellectual superior to Obama. McCain was lucky to graduate from college, which I know because he has touted it. Obama is ivy league educated and didn’t muddle through. He is intellectual and dynamic and meets the standards that I thought were meant to be (or at least should be) those necessary to be president. When you set the bar too low, you get people like Bush, Palin and Quayle. I think the republican party should attempt to raise the bar. These intellectually stunted individuals are an insult.

Posted by elisa | Report as abusive

“Obama…does not appear to struggle with the format.”

That is a subjective comment and has no place in straight news.

Posted by rpcvlawson | Report as abusive

For me, John McCain debated well but made a bad impression with his physical stance and closed body language. I don’t think it was intended as rudeness as some suggest but rather a projection of a self protective resentment towards Obama, who had trumped him the day before during the private White House meeting.

Obama debated well but could have shown more righteous anger and less diplomacy. “John is right” or ” I agree with John”. Speak directly to the people, Senator and ask them if they are better off now than they were eight years ago or even four years ago. McCain is a relic of the past, both on foreign policy and economic policy and Obama is the future. Do you want the past or the future?

The question should be easy to answer. I know it is for me.

Posted by Elizabeth | Report as abusive

It was clear that McCain has total disdain for his opponent. He probably feels that Obama has no business being on the same stage, but should instead be shining his shoes. This was supposed to be his shining moment during the debates, and he failed to knock out Obama. Instead, he came across as petty, angry, and condescending.

Obama held his own, was gracious to his opponent, was not afraid to look McCain in the eye, effectively explained his own perspectives on foreign policy issues, and showed a greater understanding of the complexities of the economic crisis and the problems affecting most Americans.

No surprise that most Americans felt Obama won the night.

Posted by labman57 | Report as abusive

This debate was Mr. Obama’s. The next two Obama-McCain debates will be inconsequential after the Biden-Palin “debate”.

On February 27th, Mr. & Mrs. Reader, I predicted that Mr. Obama would be the democrat nominee and the next president.

Today, September 27th, I predict that the Obama-Biden ticket will prevail on November 4th, and that the democrat party ticket will garner at least 301 electoral votes…at least 31 more than the 270 needed to win.

What is my crystal ball?

I don’t have one.

However, I do have a very shiny, new 50:50 (even odds) penny. I tossed it in February and again tonight.

I am calm about the future at this point…and am ready to see the Obama/Pelosi/Reid legislative agenda for the first 100 days, come noon on January 20th.

It ought to be a doozy of an agenda that will turn over a new leaf for Our Great Nation and for Our Best & Finest Soldiers, Marines, Sailors & Airmen (I just love those guys!).

What happens during the aforesaid first 100 days will eclipse in a positive way the negativity of September 11, 2001, and all that has ensued since then.

OK Jack

McInsane didn’t look at Senator Barack Obama because despite all the BS about his being a hero blahblahblah, he is in truth, a yellow bellied coward. If he were truly a hero and a maverick there would not be any doubt in the minds of the voters that he rejected everything Bush stood for. Instead, he has more votes for Bush policies than against. As for the BS from the rightwing necons that by addressing McInsane as ‘John’ which is his name, Obama showed him disrespect is a steaming load. If anyone on that stage was guilty of disrespect it was McInsane,who not once looked at Obama even when at the end, they shook hands. He continued to look away. Those are the actions of someone who is disrespecting the other. Who was the real man Friday night? Without question,hands down it was Barack Obama, the next President of the United States. Get used to that idea rightwingers.

Posted by John the Elder | Report as abusive

My white progressive friends are all puzzled by McCain not looking at Obama during the debate. This is code that blacks and whites in the south understand quite well. It means that you don’t exist, you don’t belong on the stage with me, and that you are nobody. That is the code, period. Now, for people who are McCain supporters anyway, this kind of behavior is acceptable. However, for those independents out there that will decide the election, I think they will look at this behavior very negatively. We will see how it plays.

I also want my white progressives to understand that Obama cannot overtly attack McCain. He can make his points, but if he were to address McCain with the same level of disrespect that McCain addresses him, there would be a loud cry from the white establishment that says, Obama is an angry black man, that he hates whites, and he will destroy the country if elected. Obama understands that reality and refuses to be baited.

Is the country ready for Obama, I don’t know, it might be. However, Obama has to play this thing very smartly. He has many constraints on him that McCain does not have, but hey, those are the rules of the game at this point in the country’s history. I think he has done a masterful job to this point, given the total landscape.

Additionally, at this point in our history, Obama was never going to win in a landslide. At best, it was always going to be a single digit victory. I think the campaign understands that and is comfortable with winning that way.

Posted by Duke | Report as abusive

I am not disappointed but clearly McCain did NOT win the debate.

I think Senator Obama did very well and I am ready for president Obama to be elected so we can start working together to move our country in a healthier direction.

Posted by ldb | Report as abusive

Then McCain should be even more “disappointed” to find out most independant viewers said Obama won.

McCain forgot who he was talking to. His base is already in the tank. Though that may change after Thursdays VP debate.

Even if Palin does ok, there is way too much concern and doubt about her to the point that the McCain states she will get there. Will get there? Thats the sell? 2 wars? A collapsing economy? Broken relationships and tarnished reputation around the world?

On the Obama ticket you get 2 presidents for the price of 1.

Posted by sue | Report as abusive

I feel so sorry for McCain’s grasping, desperate defenders; their repeated declarations of loyalty are as much to an era and territory that no longer exists as they are to a worn-out man whose best days are far behind him. His (and their) party has been revealed as incompetent grifters beyond redemption – unable to manage the military, foreign relations, the economy, the environment, the health care crisis,or any other function of government. I know old habits die hard, but your ideology is dead – you bet the farm and lost. Our nation is in precipitous decline, and it’s because your kind empowered their kind. It’s over.

Posted by B. Churchill | Report as abusive

Mavrick as REAL! Obama as FAKE!

America am need good real people as like us! McCain and Palin!

AS BE GET!

Posted by Jimmybug | Report as abusive

Obama supporters say they can’t wait for the vice presidential debate. But let’s not be smug. Don’t under estimate Palin’s ability to give a good performance. And don’t under estimate Biden’s ability to make a gaffe. That being said…. Obama/Biden 08!!!

Posted by Sue Beyer | Report as abusive

McCain did not look at Obama at all, while Obama noted points of agreement with McCain. This says that:

1. McCain claims to be able to stare down Putin and other adversaries, but can’t face Obama.

2. McCain claims to be able to “reach across the aisle” and work with Democrats, but did not even glance across the stage at one.

3. McCain looks like an angry old snarling fool, just barely able to contain himself, while Obama was calm, cool, collected and gentlemanly.

Pretty easy to see why polls show Obama won the debate…

Posted by Earl Shelton | Report as abusive

While McCain name dropped a good deal about his foreign policy experience, he showed how little he studied while in the military and at West Point. His irritation about strategy vs tactics and his attempt to “educate” Obama about it proved he did not have the education to know the difference. In any organization, strategy and tactics have different meanings depending on your level in the organization. From an individual soldier or even a commander, the surge can be viewed as a strategy whereas the implementation of the surge are the tactics. But when you elevate into an executive role, such as from the President, a surge is a tactic. The strategy would be the decision to commit to remaining in Iraq or withdraw due to the civil war. Once this decision has been made and the strategy that we will remain in Iraq with specific and measurable goals are reached then leave is established. Then tactics of how to accomplish this strategy and meet the goals are decided by commanders in the field, like General Petraeus. In this case the tactic was to create a surge of troops to better contain the violence.

What this all means is McCain does not have the bigger picture in mind. Why are we in Iraq? How does this relate to our fight on Terror? How does this relate to apprehending or killing Osama Bin Laudin? How does this relate to our standing in the world community?

Our fight in Iraq has diminished our standing worldwide and this can be seen the most easily by noticing the difference between the coalition created in the Gulf War vs the Iraq War.

How can we expect McCain to lead us if he can’t see the big picture? He’s stuck in the trenches.

Posted by Craig | Report as abusive

The debate did not change anything for me. I am still voting for Barack Obama. I am usually a Republican voter, but I am tired of excuses for the Iraq war and I want us out of there and to start taking care of business in this country. It was a mistake from the get-go and I hope Obama stays with his notion to stop the war. I don’t even want a war in Afghanistan, just bring everybody home, and fight the war on terror like the terrorists do – covertly. I am sick of war. How can we supply money to the financial crisis and fight wars and do everything else we need to do here? We can’t. Something has got to give. Sometimes I think we should just let the banks and the big money business fail, and just start from scratch. We are holding up the world and we can afford it. I paid for my house and my bills, now I have to pay for everybody elses and it is not right. They should all be in jail.

Posted by maggie | Report as abusive

A correction on my earlier post. I meant to say we are holding up the world and we CAN’T afford it, not we can afford it. We sureley can’t afford any of this mess we are in.

Posted by maggie | Report as abusive

Coming into the debate as an undecided voter, it seemed to me that the first 40 minutes, when the discussion turned to the economy, McCain was not very clear. He used several old lines from previous speeches and I found myself completing his sentences. Obama was much very concise and very direct with his answers.

Once it truly turned to Foreign Policy, Iraq and the “War on Terror”, McCain seemed to pick up steam. You could tell he was out of his element on the Economy. I would give them a tie on Iraq – Obama was right for not wanting to go in and McCain that the surge has worked. However, I personally feel that the Iraq War has given us a “black-eye” and the rest of the world does not have the respect they once did for America.

Finally, I was surprised that Obama was very clear on other foreign policy matters. Once again he had very clear answers and had a much better grasp on the issues than I expected. To me, his policy is much more engaging than what we’ve seen over the last 8 years and what McCain offers.

My very Republican girlfriend has decided to vote for Obama and after last night, I’m more inclined to as well.

That was no tie! Obama not only held his own against the elderly McCain but showed himself to be more intellectually capable, more fluent, and much more gracious than the crotchety geezer, who raised the specter of his gal pal running mate when he referred to not winning Miss Congeniality. Those references were particularly awkward.

Posted by Achshav | Report as abusive

Obama ate McCain’s breakfast at the debates, and if McCain isn’t careful, Obama will eat his lunch and dinner at the coming debates. McCain is a fossil, his war stories are irrelevant.

Posted by James | Report as abusive

While McCain had prepared an entire case against Obama, perhaps Obama did successfully diffuse them with his simple asides pointing out the absurdity of McCain the foreign policy reality.

Perhaps it was pointing out that McCain wasn’t aware of any history of animosity between the Shiiah and the Sunni. Personally, I would have tied McCain’s lack of understanding of the sectarian dynamics of Iraq to McCain’s lack of understanding of the tenuousness of the benefits of the surge- of how the political reconciliation it was intended to facillitate has yet to pass, how Kirkuk remains a flashpoint, how the Anbar Awakening arose before the surge (which McCain has also gotten wrong), how Iran is the actual victor of the Iraq war. How Pakistan wasn’t a failed state before Musharef.

How Iraq and Pakistan share no border.

How McCain most likely misled Saakashvilli into Russia’s trap.

But perhaps Obama saw danger in making that case. Perhaps it would have been impolitic, as he would have seemed condescending towards McCain.

Still, it would have been worth stating these truths in a public forum.

Posted by AJon | Report as abusive

I still don’t understand why McCain never looked at Obama once the entire debate. Is he some kind of angry child who takes this all personally?

Posted by Electric_Insurrection | Report as abusive

Obama could have mentioned the “shill” performance in Bagdad with 100 military
guards and ‘choppers overhead. The vendors smiled and Graham bought a scarf and boasted about how safe it was.. only the next day many of the vendors and shoppers were killed and wounded by theinsurgent bombings that still are rampant in Bagdad.
And when McCain bragged about his concern for veterans, Obama could have listed the many bills McCain voted against that were favorable for veterans and their families and also the GI educational support for veterans. McCain showed how much he cared for Sarah Pallin and how little he valued the American voter. He sure got even with us.

Posted by Len | Report as abusive

you can vote for someone who has dedicated his life to this country, or you can vote for someone WHO HAS NEVER SACRIFICED ANYTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY.
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Mr. Cohen: I would call working for 3 years as a community organizer–after graduation from Harvard Law and PRESIDENT of the Law Review (educated people know this is about the highest achievement possible at Harvard Law), when he could have had his pick of the top law firms in the country–a sacrifice for the PEOPLE of this country. Maybe he never had the opportunity to be a POW…but sacrifice comes in many ways.

I think it’s so ridiculous that Palin’s comparison to her time as mayor of Wasilla to Obama’s time as a community organizer has stuck…when Obama was sacrificing BIG BUCKS for community work, Sarah Palin was working as a sportscaster for a local TV station. When she was mayor of a town of 5000, Obama was a State Senator with a large constituency.

I considered voting for John McCain, because he seemed like the first Republican I could trust to stand up for what is right. That view of him has gone out the window, starting with the Republican convention. His campaign and his actions during the campaign really have been more of the same. Obama has earned my vote.

Posted by Lisa | Report as abusive

oops…

Sorry, Obama worked as a community organizer before Harvard. Still, he had graduated from Columbia University, a prestigious school, and could have done many other things that would have paid better.

As embarrassing as it is, I believe in admitting my mistakes. If John McCain would say it was a mistake to go to Iraq, it would go a long way toward restoring his honor in my book.

Posted by Lisa | Report as abusive

Obama won. McCain has to make everything into war and that is why he didn’t look at Obama. He hates Obama. he’s the enemy. Also, I think he doesn’t mind black people waiting on him but living in the white house? not so much.

I live in Alaska. If you want a bush-style vp, palin is for you. She made rape victims pay for their rape kits until the state outlawed that practice. She is a liar, a religious nut with anti-semitic views and she thinks humans and dinosaurs lived together at the same time.

If you are a total asshat, if you don’t like reality, if you are STUPID, Palin is your gal.

Posted by catherine | Report as abusive

am puzzled anyone thought McCain even tied – he was factually incorrect: Pakistan was not a failed state, it was a democracy — Obama said that, given credible evidence and an actionable target he would fire on the Taliban/AlQueda terrorists who are firing on American soldiers from sites at the Pakistani border – He did not, as did senator McCain, sing a song about happily bombing their country, – what nation can deal with McCain as a serious leader after that?If McCain is horrified re Iran’s description of Israel, how must the struggling, literate moderate faction in Iran feel when they see him singing bomb, bomb,bomb Iran? No wonder they have amped up their arms capability – Thousands of civilians died in Iraq – surely Iranians were thinking of that as the video of his song played – WHAT AN IDIOT – he’s all yours ben adler

Posted by winchestereast | Report as abusive

I missed the debate, which I’m a little disappointed about, and as such have been attempting to get a feel for how it went w/o sitting through ninety minutes.

I’ve noticed something very interesting about this. Almost every news outlet and pundit have declared the debate a tie, while every poll I’ve looked at has Obama as the winner. I feel it is safe to disregard claims that the debate was a tie, when they come from sources which have a vested interest in keeping public perception of the race as close.

Mind you, I’m looking at ‘winning the debate’ to mean who’s going to get more votes as a result of the debate, so your mileage may vary.

Posted by GRK | Report as abusive

It is truly a shame to keep hearing many Republicans refer to McCain as a hero. He is not a hero and should be called on his use of the word. He lied many times over the years about his treatment in the POW Camp. Most Veterans do not like this man and some who served during the Vietnam War dispute many of McCain’s claims. He has mastered in telling lies and embellished war stories. He actually believes these stories because he as told them many times. He is a habitual lier to say the least. His accounts on world leaders and events are usually inaccurate or false, he gets confused alot when asked pointed questions. Often times when he is asked to explain something he does not really know or understand, he would quickly start telling stories in an ill attempt to take the listeners down a fairy tale lane to take the attention off his lack of intelligence. He was and still is very uneducated and insecure when confronted head on. This is not the manner inwhich a President in waiting should be conducting himself. If he is elected to this high office, America will forever be the laughing stock of the entire world. McCain is stuck back in a time wharp and still thinks the world will roll over and let America play dictator. It’s a new world and foreign leaders are more polished and tested to play in the new play ground. McCain is not suited to conduct business on behalf of America in a world where he does not know how to Speak effectively or Respectfully to others. John Wayne, Ronald Regean and Roy Rogers are all dead. There are no more Tuff Cowboys left. The next war will be an intellectual war and McCain is out of his league if he thinks he can function on this new turf. McCain would have benefited from a Real College Education after returning from war. Instead he ran to political office to try an live up to a false image some gave him about being a Real American Hero;and he has been on the tax payers payroll for disability and congressional salary, plus benefits ever since.

Posted by Dee | Report as abusive

Senator McCain’s body language was SCREAMING his distaste for Senator Obama at the debate. His refusal to look Senator Obama in the eyes showed a complete lack of respect, even regard for him as a person. It was totally tactless, incredibly rude behavior that was not in any way presidential.

It is truly sad that Senator McCain seems even now to be totally unaware of just how loudly his behavior was speaking. Does he really think he was hiding his feelings, when they were quite obviously on display for all to see?

Would this type of behavior go over well with world leaders and other foreign dignitaries? I think not, as his pompous attitude would be completely embarassing for the USA.

I ask all of you to consider what you would do to any of your children or grandchildren if they behaved in a similar manner as Senator McCain? Mine would have been reprimanded and we would have revisited a few rules of basic etiquette.

Since Senator McCain feels that much disdain for a fellow member of the U.S. Senate, I wonder how he truly feels about me as a simple U.S. citizen?

I guess I already know, as he never speaks of me, nor for me.

I am a proud member of the middle class who will NOW be voting for OBAMA BIDEN 08.

“That is a subjective comment and has no place in straight news.”

This coming from someone who watches Fox “News”.

Posted by PopeRatzo | Report as abusive

Its not the Pundits nor the parties that decide who WON the debate. Its the american voters. I dont understand how Senator McCain can say it was a tie/win when the polls say the voters (the ones who matter) say Senator Obama won.

Posted by chad | Report as abusive

Reading all this, I’m surprised how much this whole thing has come down to a popularity contest. Let me put this simply, McCain’s service does not equal leadership qualities. One does have to have a reasonable bit of constitution to be leadership material, but I find these to be the most important. Please note that they have nothing to do with any of the ‘issues’. A leader must be reasonably knowledgeable, be able to use people well, and be able to allocate resources wisely. For the details and nit-picky policy things, they have their advisers. Out of all this, Obama has impressed me with his organization, the quality of this campaign and his ability to select advisers who are both effective and loyal to his platform. This is even more impressive because he built his campaign from almost nothing. Even if you don’t agree with Obama’s stances, if what he is doing right now is any indication, he has proven to me that we will have a stable and well run government with him at the head. No frills, but no major problems either.

Posted by Chris | Report as abusive

No, a tie means he tied, in a debate he was expected to win.

McCain has been complaining a lot about his press coverage, but he is starting to seem like a whiner. Also, he should lay off the “you just don’t get it” line. Nobody wants to hear that.

Posted by JonnyG | Report as abusive

Obama was intelligent and exceedingly gracious, which the more bellicose among us may misinterpret as something else.

Obama gave McCain a pass on a number of items such as not going after McCain’s hypocrisy on benefits for vets, his flat out lies about middle class tax cuts, Palin’s earmarks (highest per capita in the country), bridge to nowhere, campaign manager’s $2 Million in lobbyist fees, and so forth.

Not to the trolls here, of course, but that presidential demeanor will go along way to make up for the past 7+ years.

Posted by John_in_Cincy | Report as abusive

YOU’RE AFRAID OBAMA WOULD MUCK UP FOREIGN POLICY.

HOLD ON. McCain is coming to rescue you them. I PRAY, YOU’RE

UNDER 35 YEARS OLD. McCain

Posted by Andrea D | Report as abusive

McCain SAID HE WOULD START THE ***DRAFT*** AND HE WILL.

MEN AND WOMEN WILL BE DRAFTED UNDER 35, FOR HIS WARS IN

RUSSIA AND IRAN!

GOOD LUCK TO YOU LAMEBRAINS!! YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GET, AND

YOU’LL GET, JUST WHAT YOU DESERVE WITH MCCAIN!! THE

DRAFT,

MORE WARS, MORE MONEY AND MORE THAN AN $11 TRILLION

DOLLAR DEFECEIT! ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR BUSH, ESPECIALLY

IN 2004, SHOULD HAVE ALL THEIR VOTING RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY!!

THIS IS THE G.O.P. ECONOMY, STUPID!

Posted by Andrea D | Report as abusive

“Obama presidential? He kept referring to his opponent by his first name “John” constantly – yet no one in the media noted it. If McCain would’ve said something like, “Now Barack, you know that’s not correct” – the media and bloggers would be up in arms about “lack of respect” – it was universally a tie – not sure what websites you’ve been looking at – the DNC’s site? CBS News? MSNBC? Yes, those are bastions of impartiality aren’t they?”

You really had to dig deep for that one. Of course he called him “John” — they’re colleagues in the Senate. If McCain had addressed him directly at all, let alone by “Barack” no one would have thought anything of it. Face it, McCain looked like the hot-headed, surly old coot he is. Obama is a candidate for the presidency as much as McCain is (much to the disdain of the McCain camp). McCain showing some respect would have reflected more on McCain than on Obama, just as his contempt showed what a mean-spirited codger he is.

Posted by Mary | Report as abusive

… and besides — is this how McCain is going to conduct diplomacy with leaders of other countries whom he happens not to like? Goodbye superpower, hello second world…

Posted by Mary | Report as abusive

I hope that McCain thinks he won the debate, because then he will keep using the same ridiculous tactics that repelled independent voters 2-1 on Friday.

After the discussions and recaps, voters will be looking even harder to see if McCain can bring himself to look at his opponent. He is in grave danger of adopting the Dick Cheney snarl if he doesn’t watch out.

As for who won, Gallup gave Obama a +3 bump on the tracking polls to lead 50-42. If that is winning, John, you should see losing!

Posted by AxelDC | Report as abusive

I would love to be at the town hall meeting just to ask McCain why did he collaberate with his captors while a p.o.w. in Hanoi? Just google John McCain p.o.w. songbird.

Posted by Kim Lee Hang | Report as abusive

Am I the only one who has noticed that comments from McCain’s supporters tend to be rude and insulting. It it their right to oppose, 100%, but why the hate and anger?

Posted by Al | Report as abusive

McCain lost this debate and lost badly considering foreign policy was supposedly his strong suit. He was angry, he couldn’t look his opponent in the eye, he kept mixing up the facts, he plain lied, he tried to diminish his opponent instead of providing arguments to support his own position, and he just didn’t look like he thought through the details of anything he was proposing. And I guess I expect way more from a presidential candidate. It was also funny how he described himself as a maverick (which no real maverick would ever do unless he was only pretending to be one).

Posted by Vega | Report as abusive

Someone please tell me what is up with Mcshame and his little nick name “Maverick” What is he a little kidd or what. I’m a Maverick. Ya thats right. What does he think hes a Super Hero? Picture Mcshame in leotards and a cape. Is that his online name or something, oh wait he doesn’t even know how to turn on a computer. As he is having flaskbacks of getting his rear-end owned and shot down.
They don’t give you medals and call you an ACE for getting shot down. He was a POW because he was a better target than a Fighter Pilot.

Posted by Brian | Report as abusive

McCain is mired in the past – I’m almost as old as he is – and had many friends who lost their lives in Nam. It was a senseless war we could never win, and we can’t “win” in Iraq – surge or no surge. It’s up the the Iraqi people now. If we’re winning, as McCain says, why are people still dying daily (ours and theirs) and why don’t we have an end-game. Sorry, but I’ve lived through this nightmare before and we need to elect Obama and change the direction of our country.

Posted by Bonnie | Report as abusive

This is sad. I don’t think either really won the debate, it was the same old boring rhetoric I’ve heard for years. Yet, sometimes I wonder about the balance of these forums because I believe that more conservatively minded people often times don’t lambaste peoples of differing ideology because we’re too busy working, learning, and subsequently making more money than most of you whiners. GO GET A REAL DEGREE AND A JOB! VOTE: McCain/Palin *BTW I was on here, not to yell initially, but checking recent commodity prices b/c I worked hard and now have a stake in those “evil corporations”…

Posted by John | Report as abusive

Benjamin Alper, nice try. You said, “Did no-one hear him say, for example, that if Pakistan did not crack down on militants and help (or something like that) that he would just ‘let them have it.’” I taped the debate and can’t seem to find the quote you’re referring to or anything like it. Maybe, you should stop listening to the trolls in your ear. They can make you crazy.

Posted by WarIsA4LetterWord | Report as abusive

I am not surprised that the media is calling this a tie. It is now abundantly clear that the media is in the sack with B.Hussein Obama. This was not even close and I think that people who watched know this to be true. McCain was by far the winner. It was like watching a scared boy getting schooled by a seasoned professional. Obama is a slick talker and liar. He has known terrorist ties. This morning more information was revealed regarding his ties to Bill Ayers. It is only a matter of time before Obama is exposed as the fraud he is. He has covered his tracks well, but I believe that good will prevail. We cannot afford to have this pinhead in the Whitehouse!

Posted by Martin Gayle | Report as abusive

They both did better than I thought they would. Obama may have won the debate but they both still FAIL as good candidates. Picking the best of the worst OR picking one candidate because the other TERRIFIES you is not real politics. It is Political Slavery. If you want better candidates and you have a brain we would love to have you join us at politicalslavery.com

It’s the bottom of the 9th, 2 out, and the Republican team, down by 5 runs, needs a home run. McCain, their best hitter, unfortunately can only manage to hit a single. And on deck, is their weakest hitter on the team.

Posted by DaveV | Report as abusive

I can not believe when McCain said that 3 milion spending on studying Bear DNA might be a criminal issue. But spending 10 billion each month in Irag’s soil killing Iragis and american troops is not criminal? So, This guy wants to spend money on more killings and war but freeze spending on science and technology. Do American people really want that kind of future for their country. I don’t think so. They are smarter than we think except McCain palin supporters.

I also noted McCain’s obvious disdain for Obama during the debate – His lack of eye contact or even looking at the man when he was speaking to Obama, I believe, was a form of behavior used to intimidate Barack, to make him feel less of a human being. Maybe McCain learned this while a POW. This behavior has no place on U.S. soil when debating in front of the American people – that McCain had to use this tactic (along with his shaking his head as if “hopeless” or “what an idiot” or “how much more of this man can I take before I walk over and nail him??” was a sign of weakness – I am sure this psychological approach was discussed beforehead. McCaint isn’t the man for the job of President – he has no manners.

Posted by Wendy Davis | Report as abusive

McCain lost the debate and insulted North Koreans for being too short by his standard of “height”! McCain was nasty,so yesterday and kept imploring for a Reagan second coming…

Posted by Ron Davis | Report as abusive

My comment is regarding McCain’s inability to look at Obama or address him directly. That should definitely be part of the commentary. What does that say about him? What does is say about how he would deal with those he finds difficult? Will he just look the other way? What a way to communicate. It was a picture that spoke volumes!! Of course he won’t have a dialogue with Ahmadinejad (or anyone else who presents a challenge). After all, didn’t we just watch him try to not have a dialogue with Obama? And regarding all that Kissinger repartee, I agree with Maureen Dowd – “who care’s what Henry Kissinger thinks? He was wrong 35 years ago, and it’s only gotten worse since then.”

Posted by Kim | Report as abusive

Both did well, and got in their say! Mccain doesn’t feel confortable saying barack. It makes it to familier. it’s fine Obama says John. all of you get off the nogan here! the problem with this debate, is it wasn’t a debate!Mccain could not talk with Obama at all! He indicates with his behavior he feels he is above Obama! He also snickers,smirks,laughs and whispers to himself when obama is speaking. this is not presidential! this would not be exceptablespeaking to any nations leaders! this is why Obama won this debate. Had nothing to do with substance or how they ans./ Mccain did well in substance and held his own, but his behaviors destracted the best of us trying to focus on what was being said! This could have been mccains debate! He did it to himself!

Posted by alberta treadway | Report as abusive

Oh, just to let you know I am a republican, and I have decided to vote for Obama/Biden. I’m a woman and I can’t even give Mccain a pass on picking Palin for his V.P. so rather I thought Mccain did wonderful or real Bad does not matter! I have seen all I want of Mrs. Palin, and she is not V.P material. You can’t call me sexist, because I’m a woman! You can’t call me racist, because we have all nationality’s mixed in my family! It’s a simple fact that Mccain is not a maverick any more and these aren’t moves of a true maverick. This pick was wreckless and endangers America, and or that I cannot forgive John Mccain!

I also noted McCain’s obvious disdain for Obama during the debate – His lack of eye contact or even looking at the man when he was speaking to Obama, I believe, was a form of behavior used to intimidate Barack, to make him feel less of a human being. Maybe McCain learned this while a POW.

This behavior has no place on U.S. soil when debating in front of the American people – that McCain had to use this tactic (along with his shaking his head as if \”hopeless\” or \”what an idiot\” or \”how much more of this man can I take before I walk over and nail him??\” was a sign of weakness – I am sure this psychological approach was discussed beforehead.

McCaint isn\’t the man for the job of President – he has no manners.

Posted by Wendy Davis | Report as abusive

John McCain has been STEALING Sen. Barack Obama’s concepts and presenting them as his own, particularly the “Change” theme of the campaign.

It’s imperative for sensible Americans who care for their country to waste no more time in recognizing that McCain is a chronic liar and a first-class flip flopper.

In his 2002 book “Worth the Fighting For,” McCain unabashedly states the following, although in this campaign is singing a different tune when he is running for president.

“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. I was sixty-two years old when I made the decisions and I thought it was my one shot at the prize.”

God help America!

Posted by Sean Connery | Report as abusive

To Paulette, Benjamin a Democrat who unfortunately is showing how racist he is and to all of the McCainiacs:

We are all entitled to our opinions. Some of us like Obama; Some of us like McCain. It is not necessary to lie on or put down the obvious brilliance of one you do not care for. To say Obama is nothing more than a pretty face shows how insecure you are because it is obvious that Senator Obama showed his thorough knowledge of Foreign Policy and stood toe to toe to McCain on all fronts. Find another excuse to explain your racism, but it’s not necessary to insult this man simply because he is all that and more! Who was it that suspended his campaign and got angry when his opponent wouldn’t go along with such nonsense?

Posted by Laura from NC | Report as abusive

So the only complaint is that Obama called his opponent John? Isn’t that his real name?

On CNN today, they reported that Obama won the debates in polls by nearly 10 points, but had a qualification that the poll only included people that actually WATCHED the debates. So I guess that for all of you who DIDN’T watch the debates, McCain probably won. That seems to fit Republican logic.

Posted by Ricardo | Report as abusive

Martin Gayle, I’m so sorry that you are one of those sad saps that still believes Obama has terrorist ties. If you believe that, I’ve got a bridge to nowhere to sell to you!

Posted by CityKitty | Report as abusive

You all need to get a life!!

Posted by rick Martinez | Report as abusive

There’s a perfectly good explanation for McCain’s averted eye-contact. McCain is an ex-combat vet (as we all know well), and ANY warrior must learn this simple maxim: “Never let the enemy see the fear in your eyes”
Be afraid, John, be very afraid…

Posted by ChrisJ | Report as abusive

John – How typical of a conservative to characterize people who disagree with them as whiners, and assume others don’t work hard. The irony of your claim that conservatives are out learning and not blogging is that the Republicans have nominated a Presidential candidate proud of his abysmal academic performance as a legacy at the Naval Academy and a Vice Presidential candidate who appears to take pride in knowing almost NOTHING about the world. Everything she needs to know is in her good book, apparently.

Posted by K M | Report as abusive

Dear Mr. McCain…. where was your flag lapel pin? Didn’t your handlers remind you to wear it for the BIG DEBATE? You’re not *unpatriotic*, are you?

Posted by Maria | Report as abusive

I am a democrat but my answer to the debate-John McCain
had Obama on the defense–which was good strategy.
Obama did looked at McCain (as he did with Sen. Clinton)throughout the debate and then agreed with him on certain points,as he did with Sen. Clinton –Perhaps he thinks it is intimidating or perhaps he needs to focus on what the opponent is saying to prepare his answer.
As for John Mccain not looking at Obama–why would that matter???? Perhaps Obama was playing the old –I can stare longer than you -game–and calling him John–How disrespectful.
I am sure when Obama becomes President–he will not care to have anyone calling to him with out Pres. in front of his name.
The answer I search for is who was Obama talking to or nodding to in the audience thru=out the debate–Was Michelle sitting there with cue cards–look at the rewind… If he wasn’t trying to stare at Mccain, he was shaking his head to someone past the moderator and mouthing words????
As said I am a Democrat but facts speak for themselves…
Obama was on the defensive –and shouldn’t have been.. Time to tighten up.

Obama opposed the war in Iraq but is sit to invade Afganistan. (which is where we should have started )

Posted by Linda | Report as abusive

If McCain is disappointed that the media deemed the debate a draw, he should be seriously bummed that a clear majority of undecided voters thought Obama won.

As a previously decided voter (Go Barack!) I can only hope that the McCain campaign keeps on preaching to the converted, as John did in the debate with condescending, rude and unstatesmanlike behavior.

How is it that the man who is trying to sell himself as stronger and more able to lead by bipartisan consensus was unable to look his debate rival in the eye?

In a few days, it will even be clearer that Obama vs McCain I was really Kennedy vs Nixon II.

Posted by steve lillienstein | Report as abusive

Len – I agree…I’m sorry Obama didn’t raise McCain’s Baghdad market spectacle when McCain talked about his travel to Iraq. His photo op put our troops in unnecessary danger, probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to stage, and resulted in the deaths of many innocent Iraqi civilians. Still, he claims he always puts country first. With “heroes” like this, who needs enemies?

Posted by K M | Report as abusive

“Wow – the press and many of you are so blind. McCain did not do everything right, nor did Obama. Obama was virtually crushed on Foreign Policy, however. Did no-one hear him say, for example, that if Pakistan did not crack down on militants and help (or something like that) that he would just “let them have it.” That is a virtual declaration of war! His position to sit down with the leader of Iran (and other such countries) and just chat without preconditions is also outstandingly naive…

The bias for Obama is impressive! If McCain or worse Palin had said that we will just let Pakistan “have it” the press would have had a field day. I am just so disappointed that after 8 years of Bush we now are facing Obama. Gore was far the intellectual superior of Obama, but would never have one as we don’t elect on intellect or credentials, we elect on the basis of charm and good looks. The press crushes Palin who is the only one of the 3 with any management experience and let’s ONE TERM OBAMA get away with virtually everything.

I have *always* voted with the democratic party, but this is a joke.
- Posted by Benjamin Alper”

You’re lying – you sound like a republican in disguise.

Posted by Don | Report as abusive

Mccain’s made many serious mistakes in the debate, especially regarding foreign policy. He struggles with a weak mind:

1.Mccain referred to the Iranian “Republican Guard”–in fact, the unit is called the “Revolutionary Guard”

2.he called Pakistan a “failed state” when Musharraf took over– in fact it was a democracy overthrown by a coup-d’etat

2. mis-stated the name of the new pakistani president

3. confused the concepts of military tactics and strategy

4. lied about or simply didn’t understand or know about Henry Kissinger’s recent statements re: diplomacy

5. claimed Nixon’s meeting with the Chinese was an example of a President NOT sitting down with his enemies?

6. failed to acknowledge Obama’s high-level visits to US commanders and allies throughout afghanistan, Irag and Israel this year.

7. claimed that it is possible for a US soldier to die “in vain” while serving his country. A shameful statement for a man who advocates sending them into a quagmire.

7. showed an undignified lack of respect to the next President of the USA– the clearly much smarter, more nuanced, more level-headed man on the stage, Sen. Barack Obama.

Posted by Lem | Report as abusive

Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble on the VP debates, but there is not going to be a real debate.

Typically a debate is defined as:
1. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
2. To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.

The republican party successfully changed the format of the VP ‘debate’ to a format where there are pre-selected questions and each ‘debater’ gets to voice their response to the questions.

What this means is that Palin has had plenty of time to learn and practice her responses to the questions that will be asked. (How may want to bet the answers are not written by her?) There will be no back and forth between the candidates. And more importantly she will look well polished and knowledgable. Also what that means is we will be no further ahead in getting any insight as to what actual knowledge she may or may not possess on the topics.

However it will undoubtably look very good for her, especially given how low expectations are. Everyone will be saying how well she did and overlook the fact that my 8 year old also does well when given a list of questions and 2+ months to practice the answers. That’s elementary but that’s also politics today!

Posted by Luna | Report as abusive

John McCain’s avoiding eye contact was rude. But it reveals more – at his age, he can’t afford to take his attention away from the script inside himself to remember it. I know. I am his age and have studied human development and cognitive decline. McCain also seemed to struggle with hiding his rage at a smart, capable young leader. McCain really did smirk his way through the debate. His supporters surely know that his temperament
is not one that would make him a strong leader or they don’t understand the part of “he does not keep his cool when he needs to.”

Posted by CA Senior | Report as abusive

McCain wants to make sure we “win” in Iraq and Afghanistan but when that comes about, who will be on the other side of the table signing the cease fire agreement.
I ask this Question only because I don’t know who we are fighting.

Posted by JonBo | Report as abusive

McCain didn’t look Obama in the eye because you NEVER look the Alpha Dog directly in the eye.

Posted by Sammi | Report as abusive

During the debate Sen. McCain mentioned low business tax rates in Ireland and how things are so rosy for them. Well, guess what-Ireland is the first EU country in a declared recession, it happened Thursday the 25th of September. For more info, google Ireland recession.

Posted by Betsy | Report as abusive

As a European, I am necessarily biased (the whole world with the possible exception of Saudi Arabia hopes for an Obama win) but I tried to watch the debate with neutral eyes. If it were a mere contest, I would have called it a tie up to nearly the end, but finally a win for Obama since McCain went too negative in his rambling closing statement. However the policy differences were very stark. It became absolutely clear that a McCain presidency would revive the Cold War, which in my mind is not necessary at all. Obama’s willingness to meet without preconditions is a good thing, it’s the way things were always done in happier pre-Bush times.

But I was struck by a glaring omission. This debate was about foreign policy, and the candidates were only asked about enemies and potential enemies. Not a minute was “wasted” on such trivialities as allies or peaceful, nonaligned countries. Does the US see the outside world only through the lens of the countries it doesn’t like?

Posted by Hans B (from France) | Report as abusive

I read one blog post that had a good explanation for the fact the McCain never looked at Obama. It seems that lower ranking animals never look the alpha male in the eye. Obama owned McCain in that debate! It was obvious in McCain’s refusal to even look at him.

Posted by barbara tate | Report as abusive

McCain did not look at Obama because he is incapable of accepting that a BLACK man might beat him. McCain is as divisve as his policies. Reviewing many of the GOP comments in on this blog support an alarming racial undertone. This guy is not a maverik he is Johnny Come Lately. And if it weren’t for Viagra it would be not at all. Get it? Liberals help Conservatives with this joke…

Posted by Erik | Report as abusive

The debate showed how inexperianced John McCain is in dealing with the real world. we respect your service old timer but move on. Stop trying to make the people of this country feel the whole world is out to get us. It doesn’t play. We real folks no we are the melting pot and it is the greed, and the blaten disreguard of the
constitution the last eight years that got us into entire mess we are in today. McCain you showed your foolish distion making efforts twice now with Palin and the so called rush to suspend your campain. Your shoot from the hip and see were the chips fly policy making like that of the rotting “BUSH” of the past eight years shows. You not only lost the debate YOu shoed retire and let the world heal from the wounds of this adminstaration

Posted by TJ | Report as abusive

I think it was a tie on supstance but a clear win for Obama on style and temperment. Obama has what it take to lead the United States in the 21 centry. Obama is thoughtful and graceful, McCain is and angry old man who needs a good BM. McCain’s pick of Palin should disqualify him, he picked a gimmick over substance.

It is Obama’s time, McCains time has past. We just really need someone smart after 8 years of a dummy. McCain was at the bottom of his class, I think 884 out of 890 or close to that, Obama was in the top of his class at Columbia and Harvard law. Smarter is better!!!!!

Posted by Ken | Report as abusive

McCain and Obama may have tied on substance but McCain lost in other ways. People keep talking about how “tough” McCain is but he didn’t even have the courage to look his opponent in the eye. We are living through hard economic times in which bipartisanship is paramount and Obama was gracious and acknowledged when he felt McCain was correct. After this he stated how he felt McCain was mistaken. Obama showed respect for a fellow American citizen while McCain sneered at him and treated with with contempt. It brought American politics to a new low and I am now saddened at what McCain has become. How far he has fallen from who he was in 2000.

Posted by Lily | Report as abusive

McCain’s world view appears to include a “tie” as meaning he “won”…

Sounds like a man who after 4,000+ Dead Americans, 30,000+ Wounded Americans, more than $500 BILLION spent, Iran increasing in strength, Afghanistan going down the drain, Bin Laden STILL alive, would declare anything at all in Iraq a victory – after all of that nothing in Iraq is a “victory”.

Oh yeah and McCain picked a VP candidate who truly believes that humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time on earth and that because Putin flies over Alaska on his way to the U.S. that that makes her a foreign policy expert and.

Good One Johnnie!!!

Posted by Rob | Report as abusive

McCain represents the desperation and fear which has held this country hostage for the last 8 years. He is but a caricature of extreme moral and ethical disease.
He has already lost.

Posted by No Mistakes | Report as abusive

Perhaps we had a replay of the 1960 debate. Those who watched on TV thought Kennedy won while those who listened on the radio thought Nixon won. McCain’s lack of eye contact with Obama and his grumpy appearance may have cost him the debate in the viewer polls. On the other hand, Obama looked confident and presidential. I wonder if there were any folks who still listened on the radio and what did they think?

Although my mind was not changed, I did learn something significant about McCain. Reading between the lines, I learned that he doesn’t want to leave Iraq without a victory. He thinks that anything less is a lack of respect to the brave men and women who gave their time and some of them, their lives. He spent 5 1/2 years in a POW camp in a war that wasn’t won. Vietnam vets were not admired for many years. He took his personal experience and generalized it to a major component of his foreign policy. I’m scared of a candidate who does that. Some wars have been mistakes and the sooner we get out, the better.

Posted by RuthWithCouth | Report as abusive

Why is everyone getting so upset that McCain looked at the audience (live and on television) instead of looking at Obama? I am glad that McCain answers to “us” instead of to Obama. In “Public Speaking 101″, you always make eye contact with the people you are answering to. This is just another stupid and feeble attempt to discredit the candidate most obviously qualified for the job. Obama was not a polished speaker and continually and irritatingly kept interrupting McCain as he talked. Obama was the rude one!!! As far as presidential, who would you rather have represent the USA when having to meet face-to-face with some of the unsavory leaders of the world? Obama, who tries to turn everything into a negotiation, or McCain, who will stand stedfast in the best interests of the USA? Clearly, the choice is easy. If you get down to very basics – just compare the resume of Obama to that of McCain. This is not rocket science folks!

Posted by Deborah | Report as abusive

Obama obviously won the debate. Obama was right on the issues of Iraq, diplomacy even with our enemies and restoring our standing around the world. While again McCain was obsessed with Iraq.

Posted by KQuark | Report as abusive

Quoted by Paulette: “I am totally afraid that if Obama were to become president he would really muck up foreign relations”. Have you been living under a rock??? US foreign relations have been appalling for the past 8 years. If that’s your major concern, vote the way majority of the rest of the world would if they could – Obama/Biden!

Posted by Kris | Report as abusive

John McCain has been STEALING Sen. Barack Obama’s concepts and presenting them as his own, particularly the “Change” theme of the campaign.

Now he’s taking credit he mastered the “Bailout” and brought the parties together, when in reality it was Sen. Obama’s proposals that were adopted by the legislators.

In his 2002 book “Worth the Fighting For,” McCain unabashedly states the following, although in this campaign is singing a different tune when he is running for president.

“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. I was sixty-two years old when I made the decision and I thought it was my one shot at the prize.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eKwTL8Sw bI

God save America from liars!

Posted by Sean Connery | Report as abusive

Like Chris Rock said. For a black man to win over a white, you can’t beat ‘em you have to knock them out.

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

Moderator Jim Lehrer said he wanted McCain and Obama to engage each other in this debate. Obama’s use of McCain’s first name–John–seemed an attempt to engage the senior senator in debate. By not directing his eyes at the junior senator, McCain seemed on the stump, directing his rhetoric to the audience rather debating Obama. (Of course, I’m prejudiced. McCain lost my respect when he lost his principles–if he ever had any–and reached out to the lowest common demoninator in the GOP electorate.)

Posted by carol | Report as abusive

I want a President who will actually be here in the future. No, thanks McCain. Oh yeah, Sarah Palin…is an idiot.

Posted by Genise | Report as abusive

A tie? Haha..I guess McCain loves surprises. He’s going to have a big one on Nov 4. Then he will go back to big house with drugged out wife and live his Depends years until he withers away into the dustbin of history.

Posted by Joe the Vet | Report as abusive

McCain continues to demonstrate his delusional qualities–but, I guess, that comes with the turf. There could be no more opportune time for “straight talk”: “Yeah, I was a real SOB to Obama,” “I’m running scared and I’ll try anyway screwy tactic to get elected–what’s there to lose?” “Obama isn’t fit to wipe my boots (or, shine my shoes: you pick)”, and, “I hope the American people are stupid enough to buy this swill about my becoming a populist the past two weeks, regardless of my record aligned with President Bush.”

The straight talk is that Brack Obama was presidential, gracious and showed leadership. THAT is the change we need.

As a side note, Senator McCain, The Stockton Record, a newspaper in the delta of California, endorsed Barack Obama today. It’s the first time in 72 years it has endorsed a Democrat. A paper that endorsed Wendle Wilkie, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Gerald Ford and, Pres. Bush is not endorsing you…

Posted by RJ Kruger | Report as abusive

[...] Friday’s debate, McCain was caught saying this at his campaign headquarters: “I was a little disappointed the media called it a tie but I think [...]

McCain is a loser. What a has-been. He’s anachronistic. Put him out to pasture. The Cold War is over; nobody wants sit sit on the porch and hear your war stories; there is more to building a country than killing people overseas; you won’t take care of the veterans,you won’t love them and cuddle them like you made is sound you would.

Posted by bill | Report as abusive

For anyone to say McCain won is mindless and dangerously brainless. McCain picked a VP who makes Tina Fey’s caricature of her look more intelligent than Palin. When McCain picked her his judgment shows his true ignorance! His first off was not his pick but rather a terrible joke on America! This woman is more of a valley girl governor voted in more for looks than brains, and had been coasting in small town Alaska but not at all ready for center stage. Her interviews prove how sad this reality is. I feel sorry that McCain’s sexist arse put her in a position to be made a mockery of. Had he wanted a woman there were far more experienced women, but he went on looks alone. Just like he did with his ex-wife, she lost her appeal when she was crippled. So, the pretty shiny trophy one wins. What a narrative for a pathetic shell of a man. If he dies after being sworn in, look what he gave America..a woman who thinks airspace and putin, fungible and molecules used in the same sentence is a qualifying factor, and if not, I’ll go get it for ya mentality, America would be doomed!

Posted by Kay | Report as abusive

Want to know who REALLY won the debate? Check the latest polls and see who went up and who went down.

Posted by Mike | Report as abusive

I watched the debate very carefully and I will say that Obama done his job as the debater. John McCain talked about earmarks. John McCain would not even look at Barack Obama. He is still mad about Barack Obama not meeting with him in and town hall meeting. John McCain can’t make Obama do anything. Obama is a real man not John McCain trying to become one. He acts just like a little kid going to the candy store trying to punish a child because he or she didn’t obey him. John McCain is one of the low down dirty Republican man I have every seen. I wouldn’t vote republican if my life depended on it. Don’t you folks get it John Mcain is for the rich friends of his and not the middle class people that are suffering every day. You get what you vote for.

Sarah Palin is a pathetic Vice President and I pray to god that she is not in the White House come november the 4th. It is best for John Mcain to keep her under lock and key because she is so silly when it comes to reality. She don’t know a dam thing about the United States. Remember she is from Alaska with about five-thousand people and I see that they are not feeling her either. She can’t begin to understand the united states problems because alaska is not a populated like we are. I wouldn’t trust her making not one decision for the people here in the united states because if she did on her little knowledge we all will be bombed and dead. Make a smart choice not a skin choice.

Posted by ladydi | Report as abusive

No John, almost no one said it was a tie. The pundits aren’t the important vote on this anyway (though for an elitist like you their opinion probably carries more weight than it should); it’s the American citizens, and according to the poll data that I have read, Obama was the clear winner: the most knowledgeable, the most presidential, and certainly the most statesmanlike!

Posted by mbaker | Report as abusive

A week before the debate I read in a blog that Obama would probably win the debate, but the media would spin it as a tie. Now that every poll shows Obama won and every media source calling it a tie, that person was proved dead on.

Posted by br | Report as abusive

MCCAIN SHOWED NO RESPECT FOR OBAMA, DID YOU NOTICE, THAT THE OBAMAS HAD TO WALK ACROSS THE STAGE SHAKE HANDS WITH THE MCSAMES. A GREAT POINT WAS MADE, IT’S THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO DETERMINES THE WINNER OF THE DEBATE NOT JOHN MCLAME.

Posted by BIGJOHN | Report as abusive

I THINK THE BIG LOSER OF THE NIGHT WAS PALIN, AGAIN SHE WAS IN HIDING, THERE WAS A REPORT TONIGHT THAT PALIN MAY PLAN BRISTOL’S WEDDING TO THE REDNECK BEFORE THE ELECTION TO TRY AND CHANGE THE TONE OF THIS CAMPAGIN. ANDOTHER STUNT BY THE MCCAIN CAMPAGIN. SICK, SICK, SICK.

Posted by BIGJOHN | Report as abusive

McCain put the Whitehouse key in the hands of Obama when he chose Sarah Palin as vice-president. That he is now a desperate man shows clearly in his earlier cancellation of the debate and attempt to show how presidential he is by seeming to take charge of the financial crisis. He will be even more desperate after Sarah’s defeat by Biden next Thursday. Obama should be careful dealing with a desperate man.

Posted by San Ying | Report as abusive

why does the obama campaign feel the need to set the bar so low? ‘escape relatively unscathed’?

wth?

Posted by beth | Report as abusive

McCain was not looking at Obama but Obama was looking directly at him. What is the meaning of this peculiar behavior?

I can only speculate based on personal experience, but when I was younger I had, what can charitably be called, a quick temper. Often when I was in a confrontation with someone and I DIDN’T want to get into a fight, either physical or verbal, I often found myself refusing to look at them. See, if they “weren’t there” in my line of sight I could usually manage to contain my rage and not do anything I knew I would later regret.

Johnny Mac has anger issues too, so this is my guess at this behavior.

Posted by Eric | Report as abusive

Many who have commented correctly point out that Obama came across as self-assured and confident. McCain came across as angry, grumpy and downright condescending. That was my perception. I watched the whole debate again and now feel even more convinced that he did not look at Obama because he cannot stand the younger senator who just happens to be black. What a disgrace. After all, Obama had to struggle a lot harder to win the primaries against the anointed Senator Clinton from New York. If he cannot demonstrate respect for his opponent and instead shows disdain, I shudder to think what he would do in negotiations with other foreign leaders. This was a debate where one could learn about the temperament of the candidates. McCain now scares me. I am not going to entrust the future of the country and my children to this angry old self-serving man who has no shame. What did he learn from his Vietnam era prison experience. Perhaps bitterness. McCain has a sense of entitlement becaues he thinks the country should worship him for his POW experience. He supports a war that has cost our country thousands of lives and many more wounded. He should go and live in his nine homes and spend a little more time in his 13 cars until gas runs out for all of us. God help us if he and Sarah Palin get elected.

Posted by Shaker | Report as abusive

Many of the conservatives posting here are either delusional or blinded by partisan rage. McCain did’nt perform as well as he should have if he really was the expert on foreign relations that you claim he is. In the last 2 months he has mistaken the difference between Sunnis and Shia three times, refered to Czeckoslovakia three times(country that hasn’t existed in over a decade) has stated that there is a border between Iraq and Pakistan (there isn’t) and confused the President of Spain (Zapatero) with the former president of Mexico (Zapata). The guy is all swagger and other than that he is recycled, disproven republican philosophy. FAIL. bye bye repubs. Enjoy the generation banished to the wilderness that you so richly deserve. Good riddance.

Posted by Anton | Report as abusive

I still do not understand how it could be claimed a tie when McCain continually went back to victory in Iraq, tried to make Russia the first aggressor in Georgia, said looking into Putin\’s eyes he read KGB, said Pakistan had been a failed state, and continued the Axis Of Evil policy of no negotiations with Nations on his evil list.
Who is going to sign surrender papers for victory? What is his definition of victory in Iraq. Is his policy going to be invade Iran on the way to Afghanistan? Why fly our troops around when we can invade Iran for a straight route. Saber rattling has been the downfall of our last 8 years and heads us back into a cold war.
A statement that made me gasp was the bracelet. The mother has asked him to make sure his death was not in vain. Was it the wrong way to phrase it? Or did he actually feel that victory has to be claimed? I want to find the mother and tell her that her son lost his life fighting for his country and it is the greatest sacrifice a soldier can give and they are honored no matter the final result.

Posted by MyVoiceHere | Report as abusive

Actually Senator McLie, if you review all the polls from the voters, and not what the pundits are saying, you lost badly to Obama………….For such an older man you act like a little kid all the time.
It will be over for you soon…………..

Posted by fafner | Report as abusive

The winner is the one who, for whatever reason, causes voters to make a decision FOR him/her. Obama made the most people make that decision. Also, when there is a tie, the victory is usually given to the person who is “leading” at the time. On Friday, that was the senator from Illinois. OH WELL.

Posted by Teeninchee | Report as abusive

Paul Cohen – PUH-LEASE! If anyone was using emotion vs. reason during the debate, it was McCain. As was evident by his empty claim of love the veterans. There was one person that used reason to form his arguments during the debate; the next president of the United States, BARACK OBAMA! McCain looked angry and agitated throughout the entire debate. He was rude to both Obama and the moderator. He was not by any means presidential. McCain, thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by Isabel l. | Report as abusive

Wow! I think all my fellow O”bomber” fans have said it all. Fact, Obama bombed on McPain and blew him out of the water. Why? The eyes, it’s all in the eyes. Oh, and Palin, she’s failin! Wait a minute, is she even still running as VP because America has seen less and less of her, and even when we see a quick photo there’s no sound bites. Shame on you John, excuse me, that’s Senator John McCain that is. You would have been better off if you just wore your own lipstick. Next time pick a real VP. Don’t pick someone to “win” you votes, Mr. “I’m for my country” man. Lastly, voters please DO NOT allow McCain to “amBUSH” you into voting for him. If you vote McCain their will be NO GAIN. Obama is the man, no doubt and please NO more BUSH.

CNN Junky

“I am afraid Sen Obama does not understand the difference between a TACTIC and a STRATEGY?” What did Sen McCain mean – in reference to the surge in Iraq?

Posted by Aleka | Report as abusive

As I watched the debate between McCain and Obama, I was struck that McCain was an insulting, old man smirking when he thought he made and attack point. He is a child in his thinking and reactions to Obama’s strong comments. He has never defined what his much heralded ‘winning’ in Iraq is. McCain does not know the real reason for the surge was to buy time for the Iraqi’s to establish a workable government based on benchmarks the Bush administration provide. the Iraq government has not done so, and by this Bush standard, the surge has not succeeded. The reason violence has been quiet is because Motaqa al-Sadr and his 100,000 Medhi Army have entered a cease fire for almost a year. General Petraeus knows this could erupt at any time.

Watching McCain on the podium, his lack of respect and his flagrant personal attacks simply indicates his integrity and what type of president he will be. He is a bully!!!

Posted by Charles Redfern | Report as abusive

McCain’s behavior during the debate, his campaign “suspension” and grandstanding during the financial crisis, his selection of Palin, his constant pointing to his POW experience (none of the veterans I’ve known even want to talk about their war experiences let alone talk about them over and over again for personal gain), his many position reversals, etc., etc. all point to one thing… he is desperately grasping at his last chance for the presidency (not just in this election, but in his life). McCain has done some good in his career but comes off now as a dangerous warmonger who’s willing to sell out in any way necessary in order to win. Do we really need another warmonger in the world’s most powerful political position (albeit a more intelligent and experienced one than Bush)? Did anyone notice the gleam in his eyes every time he talked about past conflicts/wars? Folks interpreted it as an old man reminiscing (or living in the past, if they don’t like him), but I think he actually loves war. Every generation in his entire family going, I think, back to the Civil War, has served in the military and most of his male ancestors were veterans. I guess we should honor that service, but I think war is something you try to avoid and that you enter into with the greatest reservations. It’s not an adventure or a right of passage. If you want it to be then don’t take others along for the ride.

Posted by D. | Report as abusive

I was taught discussions concerning religion and politics always brings the worst out in people and to read the blogs proves just how true this is. I don’t think there is one impartial comment. Oh well this is Democracy.
You are getting what you paid for or at least a choice between two people who have been able to raise an obscene amount of money to run the race to the Whitehouse. A Smooth talker and a War hero.
For the importance of this election to both the USA and the rest of the World I would have thought there should have been minimum age,education and administration experience requirements like 50 plus and a minimum of 15 years of international monetary and foreign affairs experience.
The ticket which would have got home in a landslide would have been Clinton with Obama as running mate for the first four years and then perhaps Obama could have stepped up with the four years international experience.
Mind you if McCain had picked Condy it could have been interesting but too Bushy.
I am 71 and consider myself fit and more like a 60 yr old but would not look forward to all the pressures of running what is arguably still the most important country in the World for four to eight years.
The men and women who have the most experience and could do the best job of running the country are not on the list of candidates and this applies to most countries in the World when elections happen including where I live.
Good luck anyhow.
An interested KIWI

Posted by Don Corry | Report as abusive

“Why is everyone getting so upset that McCain looked at the audience (live and on television) instead of looking at Obama? I am glad that McCain answers to “us” instead of to Obama. In “Public Speaking 101″, you always make eye contact with the people you are answering to. This is just another stupid and feeble attempt to discredit the candidate most obviously qualified for the job. Obama was not a polished speaker and continually and irritatingly kept interrupting McCain as he talked. Obama was the rude one!!!”

Deborah, this was not exactly “public speaking.” The two candidates agreed to a set format in which they would speak to the audience and discuss their policy position for a set number of minutes, which they both did. Both candidates also agreed that in addition they would talk to one another directly to highlight disagreements, etc. I think you can agree that when someone is speaking directly to you, it is unbelievably rude not to even give them the courtesy of looking them in the eye. I’m sorry but how you can call Obama rude is a bit far fetched. It was Obama who very graciously walked over and shook John’s hand and said “good debate.” From McCain’s smirk, condescending tone, interruption of Obama, and his lack of eye contact, it was abundantly clear who the candidate with the lack of manners was!

As far as presidential, who would you rather have represent the USA when having to meet face-to-face with some of the unsavory leaders of the world? Obama, who tries to turn everything into a negotiation, or McCain, who will stand stedfast in the best interests of the USA? Clearly, the choice is easy. If you get down to very basics – just compare the resume of Obama to that of McCain. This is not rocket science folks!

On this front, I would say that talking to someone is much better than isolating them. McCain’s stance on foreign policy is similar to that of Bush and look how well that has turned out. I think not even considering talking to Russia, Iran, etc is a big mistake. I remember eight years ago democrats warning against Bush’s foreign policy and management skills and look what a pickle our country is in now. Perhaps it would heed the republicans to just listen to logic and common sense this time….unless they want NO country left at the end of the next four years. Vote McCain and Palin at your peril. Like you say, yes, it isn’t rocket science!

Posted by elisa | Report as abusive

John McCain is a very dangerous bitter tired old man with absolutely no good ideas for cleaning up the horrible mess created by the current moron who sits in the oval office pretending he understands reality. They are both pathetic losers and are both bad for America. Soon President Obama can begin the long painful process of cleaning up the mess created by the misfits in the Bush regime. This will take years to accomplish however.

Posted by widollar | Report as abusive

Did anyone really listen to this debate? Perhaps it is easier to see in black and white what was happening, without all of the charisma? I watched it and now I’ve reread the transcripts.

Obama made McCain look like an ass. Period.

In the very beginning, Lehrer tried to get the two to debate about the issues and actually talk to one another. Obama said that he fundamentally disagreed with McCain about the economy and said that we have to hold ourselves accountable day in and day out to regular people who’ve been having a financial crisis for awhile. Lehrer specifically asked McCain if he agreed with Obama and he said “NO” and went off on some tangent about his belief in the American worker. They basically said the SAME DAMNED THING but McCain didn’t have the character to agree with Obama.

Throughout the debate, Obama specifically said that he agreed with McCain on several issues and the next day the McCain campaign spun that into an attack ad. Now, apparently, agreeing on something important for the American people is wrong? When McCains first comments of the night were on how proud he was that the Democrats and Republicans are working together? How can we expect them to work together and get anything done if we have a leader that isn’t man enough to admit when someone else is right?

McCain also said that he would double the ‘dividend’ for every dependent child in America. He obviously doesn’t know anything about filing his own taxes or how important an exemption for each child is to most Americans.

When Obama called him out on taxing health benefits, McCain didn’t respond to that he simply went off about oil companies.

The entire debate when on like that. Obama made a good point about McCains policies and McCain pulled out a ‘he did this’ to keep from talking about it.

The most brilliant thing McCain said during the debate was “We Republicans came to power to change government, and government changed us”

I was really disgusted when they were asked what spending Americans would sacrifice for this bailout and McCain said that he would stop everything but defense spending. Really? These shady contracts to his cronies would be top priority while CHIP just goes away? Does anyone else see this is completely wrong?

This country needs an intellectual President. Someone who has the mental ability to understand the vastly complex issues that we face. From what I saw in the debate, McCain just doesn’t have that ability.

Posted by AJ | Report as abusive

John mcCain is the best that America needs in the following years ahead. He has integrity, he states facts, and does not waver when decision needs to be taken, especially in difficult situation where determination is a must!. He is the right President for america. My country is one of the great allies of the US and believes that when it comes to foreign policy, and keeping america safe, Jhon mcCain is the right choice.

Posted by donsem | Report as abusive

McCain was lucky to graduate from college, which I know because he has touted it. Obama is ivy league educated and didn’t muddle through. He is intellectual and dynamic and meets the standards that I thought were meant to be (or at least should be) those necessary to be president. When you set the bar too low, you get people like Bush, Palin and Quayle. I think the republican party should attempt to raise the bar. These intellectually stunted individuals are an insult.

- Posted by elisa

Hey Elisa, maybe you’re unaware of this, which surprises me considering how much you claim to know about being intellectual, but the US Naval Academy is a far more difficult institution than Harvard to a) be accepted to and b) graduate from. It takes deep intelligence to get through the courses and rigorous training that lead to you becoming a fighter pilot. It does not to write a thesis about how corporate greed is keeping the man down and socialism will save the world.

Maybe the type of intellectualism you’re referring to is the type that leads a candidate to take a loan from a money launderer, or to sit through racist sermons for twenty years without noticing, or to threaten to bomb our allies and kneel to our enemies. Maybe you’re referring to brilliant statements by a VP candidate that FDR was on TV in 1929.

Posted by Matt | Report as abusive

- not sure what websites you’ve been looking at – the DNC’s site? CBS News? MSNBC? Yes, those are bastions of impartiality aren’t they?
- Posted by Michael Reed-

Did you want to add any more news outlets to that list? Maybe CNN, Fox? Both declared the same results. You will run out of space soon. McSame is so desperate and bitter and attacking an ever wider group of journalists and media that his ‘base’ has turned against him.
What a great strategy. Not.

Posted by Gord Metcalfe | Report as abusive

I urge every reader of these lines to take his or her responsibility as a citizen in a democratic country seriously, and register this coming Monday to vote if not yet registered.

I urge you to convince your friends and family to do the same.

And I urge you to take your electronic calendar or appointment book, and allocate right now, well in advance, a sufficiently large time block to be able to tolerate waiting lines, and cast your vote on election day, or alternatively, to set wheels in motion Monday morning to vote in early elections or by mail ballot.

After the mind-boggling dishonesty we have seen thus far from McCain and his Rove-team, it should be clear to all of us that we must secure a landslide victory for Barack Obama to secure a victory at all.

We need a massive voter turnout in this election for President, and we need an overwhelming majority of votes cast for Barack Obama.

No one can do this for us – we must each make the effort needed!

We can be thankful such enormous pressure was exerted on John McCain from so many quarters that he was finally forced to show up for this debate – which he clearly had hoped to avoid.

The outrageous events leading up to this debate, and Friday night’s debate itself, will, I believe, prove to be a tipping point in this election.

In his reluctant appearance, McCain displayed himself to be:
-too slow on his feet, too petty, too pedantic, and too cranky,
-too hung up on military issues of all kinds,
-way too hung up on the war in Iraq,
-completely clueless about the lives and plights of his own countrymen and -women,
-and completely oblivious to the fact that even his beloved military power is not sustainable if we as a society continue to rapidly fall behind our competitors around the world.

In short, McCain proved himself to be unfit material for the Presidency of the United States of America.

Barack Obama made the most important point of the night when he stated that our government, our policies, and yes, our budget, must reflect our values as a people, and must serve us as a people. Everything else in Friday night’s debate flows from this insight.

I was disappointed the neither of the canidates dared to take Jim Lehrer up on his initial direction to debate how their Presidency would function post bailout. Neither would go there.

McCain would have had to admit that the bellicosity of the Bush Administration and their savage advocacy of democracy for the world would not be engaged in by a nation rendered physically comatose by aggregated debt of the current crowd’s deficit spending and the owning by the Federal Government of the financial irresponsibility of the deregulated financial sector.

In a way our nation and McCain are in very similar straits. We are now like the Paul Newman character in THE HOWLER, a short story in Hemingway’s ADVENTURES OF A YOUNG MAN. Newman plays the part of a long quit boxer still in training along the destitution trail that followed his beaten to a pulp career. The old trainer cannot leave the old pugilist, now helpless and mentally befuddled.

John McCain is the howler. As a fellow Vietnam Veteran, I could sympathise with his plight, but I would cringe to think of this man negotiating the rapids that the current President has engaged this nation to travel in the future with his endless wars and fiscally irresponsible policies.

If you watched carefully, Obama called McCain Senator McCain when addressing him in general, however when McCain started to say B/S, which was frequent, Obama call him “John”. It is a bit disrespectful to call your debate opponent by first name, but the clue is Obama was telling John and everyone one else they should not respect the lies. Also, I thought it was hilarious that McCain just repeated his stump speech. Obviously Obama was ready, I laughed my tuckus off when McCain thought he would play the old RNC trick and tug heartstrings on the bracelet (like a reason to keep fighting a war is our past casualties, I don’t get it) and Obama yanks out “I have a bracelet too”. Check.

Posted by Marty, CO | Report as abusive

Actually, I think the media would have been all over McCain if he tried to get on Obama’s case for calling him John, not for a lack of respect, but for implying that Obama should be deferential to him. Generally, when people work together, unless one is in a superior position of authority, insisting on having someone else call one by their last name is taken as a belittling demand.

As for the impartiality of the debate polls: FOX news, by the numbers, also found that Obama won, and several professional, non-news polling agencies found that he won by double digits.

Posted by Kylar | Report as abusive

His actions never looking at the person talking to not only looks like a fool is one .
I believe that adviser which is another low road idiot is behind this wanting to act like Obama isn’t even on the stage .
they must believe it makes them look special well they are es-specially dumb . They come up with some ignorant tactics, lie continually that Phalling really adds to their mix what a looser look where it has taken them. I love it

Posted by Honeybee | Report as abusive

Hey Elisa, maybe you’re unaware of this, which surprises me considering how much you claim to know about being intellectual, but the US Naval Academy is a far more difficult institution than Harvard to a) be accepted to and b) graduate from. It takes deep intelligence to get through the courses and rigorous training that lead to you becoming a fighter pilot. It does not to write a thesis about how corporate greed is keeping the man down and socialism will save the world.

- Posted by Matt

Really difficult to get into the Naval Academy when your father is an admiral.
McCain looked as if someone gave him a wedgee with his Depends.

Posted by RealAmerican | Report as abusive

[...] but I think that means, when they call it a tie, that means we win.” — Sen. John McCain, quoted by Reuters, “during a telephone call that was caught by cameras filming him at his campaign [...]

[...] Reuters overheard John McCain on his cell phone noting his disappointment in the null outcome of the debate (?). “I was a little disappointed the media called it a tie but I think that means, when they [...]

Lem -

I am a Obama supporter, but I find your post not entirely correct.

1.Mccain referred to the Iranian “Republican Guard”–in fact, the unit is called the “Revolutionary Guard”

- Obama made the same mistake also…

3. confused the concepts of military tactics and strategy

- Obama actually confused the point.

7. showed an undignified lack of respect to the next President of the USA– the clearly much smarter, more nuanced, more level-headed man on the stage, Sen. Barack Obama.

- This is a opinion backed statement. Please try to keep to statements of fact.

Why not say something like:

1. McCain was quoted as saying that we need a “League of Democracies” formed to put pressure on Iran.

- Ummm, I may be mistaken, but we already have this “League” it is called NATO.

Posted by Chris | Report as abusive

Matt,

He graduated I believe 2nd or 3rd from the bottom, which for some reason he seems to be proud of (he has asserted it more than once in interviews). Also, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t his father and grandfather in the upper echelons on the military? Obama on the other hand got into Harvard and he obviously WASN’T a legacy candidate. Also, he graduated top of his class at Columbia Law School and was head of the law review. I feel confident that he is smarter than McCain. In addition, I can tell just by listening to that debate and past statements made by McCain that he is a bit of dim bulb on more than a few issues. He talks about Pakistan as a failed state prior to Musharaf’s coup, which is not true. He referred to Zidari as Kidari, he doesn’t know Spain is a NATO ally…..at one point he didn’t know there were two branches of Islam (i.e. Shiite and Suni) and he thinks the president can fire the head of the SEC…and most of all I would point to his selection of Palin as demonstrating CONSIDERABLE intelligence and judgement! For someone who keeps praising his 26 years of experience…..I think he comes up short on more than one front.

So, while you might say the Naval Academy is harder to get into……it is more exclusive a school (ie smaller), so the standards will be different….but someone who was LUCKY to graduate at all cannot be compared to someone who graduated at the top of his class from two ivy league schools. I’m afraid your argument doesn’t convince me.

Posted by elisa | Report as abusive

^Typo: that should have been considerable LACK of intelligence and judgement.

Posted by elisa | Report as abusive

I think McCain just couldn’t keep up w/ Baracks whoppers. Mr. Kissinger has already corrected Barack on that little lie and the mother of the dead soldier who Barack mentioned (the bracelet) has asked him repeatedly to quit mentioning her son. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/war…let-whe re- media

And lets see who voted against 190 to tighten legislation on Freddie/Fannie…why the man who has received the most money in 3 yrs from them. Barack again. Quit being lemmings being led to the cliff and check out another information source then Moveon and Kos…

I watched the debate and came away feelig that Obama was the more presidential and on target than McCain. I am astonished at the way McCain behaved; he was angry, rude and showed no class. His not wanting to make any eye contact or lack of congeniality was no surprise as the man is full of arrogance. How can he tell Obama that he dosent’t know the diffrence between strategy and tactic?! Give Obama credit for his education. I don’t see McCain with a college degree. McCain went to the military academy and learnt to be a fighter pilot but how does that comapre to a Harvard Law degree in terms of scholastics? Obama will be our next president – and the good people of this country can sense that and will vote him into office. Our wisdom will prevail; not that of a so called maverick! McCain – please quit now and save us your shameful attempt to be a leader and get a grip on your anger.

Posted by Jewan Sukhdeo | Report as abusive

[...] Sen. John McCain, quoted by Reuters, “during a telephone call that was caught by cameras filming him at his campaign [...]

Mr. McCain is one of the most disappointing public figures in recent years. I have lost all respect for this pseudo-maverick, he is simply a political one-liner following the Rove row. His ideas are stale, and ideology situational. His ads are only about his opponent, fraught with partisan attacks and falsehoods.This saddens me from one I supported as the best statesman that our GRAND Old Party has. Instead he is a desperate tired old man, with a shallow gal as his surrogate. God, please bless America and help us move forward together.

Posted by Chase Wilder | Report as abusive

So, the media calls it a “tie” (which, judging from many of the blogger’s comments today, and based on my own opinion, is complete BS and Obama emerged as the clear choice), and the first thing McCain says is “I think that means we won.” This very accurately demonstrates how delusional McCain really is….I can’t wait to see him go down in flames, the lying prick!

Posted by erin | Report as abusive

John must have gotten hold of some of Cindy’s stolen pain medications.

He obviously saw the CNN, USA Today and CBS polls that all found Obama won the debate. But McCain trying to “spin” the story, calls it a “tie.”

I imagine come election day, when Obama wins, McCain will call that a tie, too.

McCain is an out-of-touch, delusional senior.
And, I sure as heck do not want Palin as possible VP or President. No way.

Posted by Michael John | Report as abusive

Sarah Palin’s star has been falling ever since her “pitbull with lipstick” speech, when she so lustfully tore into Obama and mobilized full-throated screams of approval from her political base in the Republican Party.

For example, during Palin’s reign as mayor of Wasilla, female rape-victims reporting the crime were forced to pay out of their own pocket for the forensic-kit and exam needed in the work-up, an uncommon state of affairs even in Alaska (documented in detail in NYT 9/26/08),

What makes this fact so compelling, is Palin’s publicly stated belief that even women who suffer rape-pregnancy should be required to carry that pregnancy to full term and birth.

Since becoming V.P. candidate of the Republican Party, Palin has refused to clarify her position on these issues.

On less emotional questions, Palin’s glamour has also been wearing thin as voters learned of
–her unbridled pork-politics (to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars as Alaskan Gov., and even millions garnered from the Federal budget by hiring a major D.C. lobbying firm while mayor of the town of Wasilla, population 9,000),
–her flip-flopping (for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it, then pocketing the money in the end anyway), and
–her ongoing stonewalling of a legislative investigation (Troopergate) into abuse of office charges against her, which this past Friday was again in the news, as more of her aides refused to testify.

With McCain’s actuarial table showing a 1-in-3 chance of Palin actually taking over as President during his first term, her interview performances with statements like
–“I can actually see Russia from an Alaskan island”;
– “the Bush Doctrine – in what respect?”; and
–“McCain’s record on finance regulation – I’ll get back to you on that later”
began turning her into a serious liability for the Ticket.

Yet at the debate Friday night, and today in Ohio, McCain keeps praising her! He is so cranky and stubborn, that just can’t admit mistakes!

In the end the American voters will decide the issue in November.

Sure I’m uneasy at the thought of what she might do, were a Pres. McCain to become incapacitated. As the most powerful politician on earth, her potential for wreaking destruction and devastation across America, and on the entire world, is truly mind-boggling.

I’m very interested in all the different takes on
why McCain wouldn’t ever look Obama in the eye
as he was speaking. I’ve always found that if a
person refuses to look you in the eye it’s because
he isn’t telling the truth. Could that be it?

At any rate, I was very drawn to the calm, steady
nature that Obama displayed and felt that he
exhibited true statesmanship and thoughtfullness.
McCain just came across to me as very narrow minded,
stubborn to a fault and even arrogant. I just
don’t feel like he quite connects with those of
us who live on middle class incomes, don’t own
7 houses and 13 cars and don’t have wives who wear
$300,000 outfits.

Posted by Leigh | Report as abusive

In this confusing quagmire of economy, I think Obama is the right and best choice for all of us. Just thinking of bad health condition would come about any time for McSame and Sarah Palin would be a commander in chief, all of my blood is frozen all at once. By the way, the escort or guard service or Air Force one would be used for her family of seven-in-chief sounds like scary. This would consume lots of public money and work to serve her family.

Posted by aida tanaka | Report as abusive

McCain for me was a failure in this match. Obama easily outshone him with his intellect and skill as an orator. He was measured, calm, decisive and constructive. McCain often resorted to a stale kind of didactic manner which neither clarified or expounded what he was talking about.

He said ‘he’ was disappointed? He could say that, although that is exactly what WE will be if he and his strange partner get into the Whitehouse.

What next, Sarah Palin taking potshots at specially placed moose on the Whitehouse lawn? McCain tongue-lashing his subordinates to hell?

McCain did not prove one iota that he is presidential material and even looked, to me, slightly frail and flaky.

The winner here was indeed Obama.

Posted by TheTruthIs... | Report as abusive

Really difficult to get into the Naval Academy when your father is an admiral.
McCain looked as if someone gave him a wedgee with his Depends.

- Posted by RealAmerican

Where in your class at the Naval Academy did you graduate, genius?

Posted by Matt | Report as abusive

Elisa,

As expected, you had no defense for the fact that you claim to be such an intellectual and describe your candidate as the same, but cannot explain why such a brilliant man would:

1. Not have noticed the racist rantings of his pastor even once over a 20 year period.
2. Threatened to declare war on an ally (Pakistan).
3. Claim we should take Russia to the UN Security Council over the Georgia invasion (Russia has veto power, dumb@ss!)
4. Claim to not know anything about the illegal voter registration of ACORN, of which he was a part.
5. Claim to not know anything about the felonies being committed by his close friend and personal financier Tony Rezko.
6. Claim to not know William Ayers, the unrepentant anti-American terrorist in whose house he launched his political career.
7. Claim repeatedly to have had a consistent position on something (“As I’ve said in the past…”, “As I’ve always said,”) when there are recorded quotes of him stating exact opposites on multiple issues.
8. Refuse to appear at town-hall style debates for which he couldn’t prepare answers ahead of time.
9. Think the American public is so stupid to not realize that socialism has resulted in economic collapse everywhere it has been tried.

This last one defines liberalism. Everyone who doesn’t think like you is an idiot. Anyone who went to Harvard is smarter than everyone else.

If it wasn’t ignorance that led Obama to make those claims and have those beliefs, then it was pure dishonesty and awful judgment. Which do you think?

Since you’re not willing to defend Obama on these points, maybe you’re willing to defend Biden on:

1. Ridiculous claims that he received three college degrees while on a full legal scholarship and placed near the top of his class. The truth was he received ONE degree with a double major (far from three degrees) while receiving financial aid (far from a full scholarship.) Anyone with an inkling of intelligence would have realized those claims could be easily verified or disproven, as they were, with five minutes of research.

2. Claiming that FDR went on TV in 1929 after the market crash to reassure the American public. I know eight-year olds who can tell you FDR wasn’t president in 1929, and that television was a couple decades away.

3. Claiming you have to have a “slight Indian accent” to “go into a Dunkin Donuts or Seven-Eleven.” Actually, this may not have been too stupid, knowing that, as a democrat, the media would give him a free pass. Do you think George Allen would have had that statement ignored?

Posted by Matt | Report as abusive

Add to #1 about Biden, that he too graduated near the bottom of his class. Do you even know what law school he attended? Hint: It wasn’t the Naval Academy.

Posted by Matt | Report as abusive

I think McCain just couldn’t keep up w/ Baracks whoppers. Mr. Kissinger has already corrected Barack on that little lie and the mother of the dead soldier who Barack mentioned (the bracelet) has asked him repeatedly to quit mentioning her son. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/war…let-w he re- media

Newsbusters is a conservative site, please dont use this as a “source”. The father of the soldier who leans toward McCain made comments speculating as to the mothers feelings and intentions. The conservative stories are HEARSAY!!!! Here are several other stories which refute your claim. These articles use direct quotes from the mother Tracey Jopek, who interviewed with the AP. Read it for yourself…

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNxTA pa2sQRu0Xx99P3jt2bEXw7gD93G7THO0

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080930/WDH06/80930 0364

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29  /soldiers-mother-ecstatic_n_130157.html

mccain lost