Comments on: Obama mobilizes grassroots supporters Tracking U.S. politics Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:39:51 +0000 hourly 1 By: Wendy Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:59:57 +0000 More than 11 countries, including Germany, Japan and now the UK are in recession and the Republicans think they’re still in office.

By: TC Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:01:03 +0000 Here is a good one for you, only 38 percent of the nation supports the so called stimulus bill as it stands now.

Yeah, those obstructionist republicans are heros for alerting us to the sham which the progressive liberal democrat Obama and congress are trying to force on us.

This is the way government is supposed to be, there should be a fight so whatever is passed into law is good for America.

By: Wendy Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:00:38 +0000 Nero fillibusters while Rome burns.

By: getplaning Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:46:24 +0000 “I don’t play the “well they said then, so why not now” game”
Well, of course you don’t. That would mean having to accept responsibility for your words and deeds, something conservatives are not familiar with.

My “tenuous assertions” are all backed up by fact. As I said, use Google.

That “opposition party” (obstruction party is more like it) did come up with a plan of their own this morning. Sen. Jim DeMint is pushing the Senate GOP’s alternative, “American Option: A Jobs Plan That Works.” DeMint’s plan will cost $3.1 trillion over ten years, more than 3.5 times the cost of Obama’s.


By: brian lee Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:44:24 +0000 obama,s liberal supporters have set the bar that high for him,and their expectations of him are so great,the chance of him not being the greatest president ever is not even a possibility in their minds.this unfortunately is setting him up for failure.he is tying to be get them to be realistic about the task in hand,and also because of the presses campaign to portray him as a rock star it is going to be very difficult,anything but the best is going to be considered a failure.

By: jimbo Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:17:12 +0000 Just keep living in denial, TC. It’s what got us into this mess in the first place, believing things that were demonstrably untrue.

By: TC Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:00:14 +0000 I don’t play the “well they said then, so why not now” game. You can play that silly game all you want, it matters not to me.

You are still using tenuous assertions and that is fine too. I guess you want to live in the past, I am merely commenting on the present. Unfortunately I allowed myself to get caught up in your misplaced anger from the past which, as I already said, are based on tenuous assertions.

52 percent is no mandate. Nothing more needs to be said to back up that fact. 48 percent are not behind the president so the republicans are doing their job in defending what nearly half the country (and I suspect some of the voters to voted for the democrats and Obama) are no beginning to realize now. That the change they voted for is not the change they are getting with this shameful “stimulus?” package. Which is no stimulus at all.

Anyway, on to other discussions. It’s been fun, sort of.

By: Wendy Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:17:04 +0000 More of the same then.

By: getplaning Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:18:16 +0000 TC-
Conservatives called Bush’s questionable victory in 2004 a “mandate”. Why isn’t Obama’s landslide victory in 2008 a mandate?

As to 2000, when eight news organizations and the University of Florida counted ALL the ballots, Gore won under every standard. If the approximately 50,000 Florida citizens who were illegally removed from the voter rolls had been permitted to vote, it would not have even been close. Bush won because of legal maneuvering, not because people voted for him. You know this.

As to the war. Democrats certainly did not have access to the same intelligence, because the Bush White House was only showing them the intel it had approved. Any intel that did not support their plan to invade Iraq was rejected. You know this as well as everyone else.

The mandate. In the 2008 election, the recorded count was 123 million votes, but 143 million votes were cast. Many voters were told they had to complete provisional ballots, or were told their names had been purged from voter rolls. Historically, about 75% of uncounted votes, spoiled, lost, provisional and absentee, are Democratic. Do the math. Obama’s 8 million vote margin increases to 18 million, a landslide rivaling Johnson, Nixon, and Reagan. Remember Reagan? They kept saying he had a mandate. Why not Obama?

By: TC Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:07:29 +0000 You can try to convince the 48 percent of the country with your point of view which was filled with some very tenuous implications, but you can’t convince the 48 percent you know what you are talking about.

When you said Obama’s win “Compared to Bush (and even compared to Clinton), Obama has a mandate”. Well compared to nothing. It is still not a mandate. He only has 52 percent of the vote. So your assertion isn’t one based on fact, it is based on on one sided progressive liberal standpoint.

As for the election in 2000. Bush still won when Dick Gephardt and the democrats did a full recount of Florida six months after the recount. Guess what, the inconvenient fact is Bush still won.

As for the war, the congressional democrats were on board and voted for the war. Either that, or they were stupid because they didn’t do their own due diligence. It was a matter of they all had the same intelligence and the intelligence said something needed to be done. So democrats and republicans voted for the war. It’s a fact and in the record.

So anyway, your 52 percent doesn’t have the mandate you think you have and the other 48 percent is digging in as it should.

As I said, if you read to understand, democrats and republicans got us into this mess. Divided government works best. If you think one party rule is a good answer, then you deserve the socialist state you are going to get and then you won’t like it when you are told how to live every part of your life.