Comments on: U.S. criticizes India on treatment of religious minorities http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/ Tracking U.S. politics Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:39:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395315 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:52:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395315 @It is the duty of strong and majority to protect the weak and minority.
– Posted by Andy

Andy. True.
Does minority also has some obligation towards majority?

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395314 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:48:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395314 @So why should we feel insulted if US advises to India to make India a better place! We should think positively and cooperatively. And these are genuine issues too!
– Posted by Andy

Andy: my apology to jump in but you make it sound simple. Is there a doubt that US tries to police the world whenever there is an opportunity? There is nothing like friends at the level of nations. Yes we do have good relations. But that does not mean we agree on each issue with US.
Andy:
1. Isn’t it a valid question to ask USA “why has US killed 100,000 Muslims in Iraq by Shock-n-Awe of Bush? Should not the world–Muslims or non-Muslims–ask US what the hell was that. Why US president lied to the world–and so brazenly-about WMDs in Iraq–is that not a question to be asked? Do they have any moral right. It was so clear that Bush wanted war. Are they on watch list?

2. talking about religion, is US constitution secular? It is such a murky issue and anyone can drag it any way. In my view it is secular since the founding fathers of US were atheists or agnostics and they laid the foundations of US constitution. And now we have Bush (father and son both) who think an atheist cannot be patriot (father Bush said in an interview). What is that currency “In GOD we trust” doind in Atheists Wallet? Imposing religion on Atheists?

It just does not gel in nice with what US does and what it preaches. 1 trillion dollar debt from China killed US morality to question China and US was much vocal earlier.

India will do irrespective of these hypocrites. About India, you and I know that mostly people are tolerant and yes govt needs to do more to punish the culprits. Let me be blunt–I am against this conversion business of Missionaries. It is just creating additional problems. This business of taking care of minority has become a problem itself not a solution since minority issue is used as vote bank and will never ever stop bridging the gap. saying a leader as Dalit leader will never get rid of Dalit. All should be Indians irespective of any difference-be that religion or anything else. I can nearly put any Indian in some kind of minority. From what I have seen Indians during the time of need stick togther and that’s what matters.

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By: Seth http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395243 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:03:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395243 Why my comments are not being posted.

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By: Andy http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395236 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:20:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395236 US has every right to advise India. Please don’t feel insulted. Friends do help and advise friends. US has helped India so many times including during 1962 India-China war and will continue to do so. Look how much works Bill Gates or Bill Clinton are doing for India. I have lived in the USA for 15 years and have seen the warmth and love of Americans to Indians.

So why should we feel insulted if US advises to India to make India a better place! We should think positively and cooperatively. And these are genuine issues too!

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By: Andy http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395234 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:06:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395234 Chirkut,
There is an urgency to patch up internal differences. Give concessions to minorities, give them anything reasonable they want, but lets be all Indians be together as a nation. Our commonalities are a lot more stronger than our differences. All strong nations (except China) are strong because they are united by commonalities, not divided by differences.

China and Pakistan are exploiting our differences and trying to sink us. And they will continue to do so until we are united. Majority should always encourage minorities to be another Kalam or another Mother Teresa. Majority should make sacrifices and make minorities feel comfortable and safe.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395227 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:17:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395227 @So Why only Christian and Muslims? We need to really contemplate what exactly Muslims and Christians are doing which is resulting in riots.
– Posted by chirkut

Chirkut: Great question and has answers hidden inside it.

As we know that Indians historicaly were Hindus (although the name long ago was not Hindus) and then India was ruled by Mughals for long and then by Brits. New religions have taken birth, religious/social reforms have happened so that changing religious demography co-exists in peace. It is only since 1947 post-independence that Indian, despite 80% Hindus, have chosen to to be secular. But at the same time one cannot deny that Hindus were natives and are in majority and that cannot be denied. Indian constitution is secular and secularity has been practiced on the ground, if you see who rules India. Any attempt that tries to exploit unduly the inhererent social ills for the benifit/expansion of a Hindusim is bound to raise eye-brows among Hindus, when seen in the background that Hinduism does not demand Hindus to convert. Hindus have started becoming protective since they value freedom and has earned it. In view of the history o all religions and the ways they work and the way they reset the mentality of an individual or of the community has to be understood. It is not that hard of a job, if I look inside India as well as look outside Indian territory and ask myself what did people of a particular religion do in the world (forget terrorism for a minute), what kind of history they had?

Hinduism has branched out to create new religions whenever there were certain important questions asked: spiritual questions (Budhism) or military response to the atrocities committed by Aurangazeb on Hindus.(Sikhism).

In India, depending upon the category, perhaps everyone can be a minority. So let us not stick to religion.

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By: chirkut http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395165 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:52:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395165 Andy,
Godhra and Gujarat happened together. Likewise Swami’s murder and Kandmahal happened together.
I am all for your second para that we should make India safe, secure and prosperous for all Indians. However minorities of India also need to understand their duty towards majority. Its always a two way street and never one way street.
Btn how many times you have heard of Riots between jains and hindus or buddhists and hindus. 84 riots were political riots other than that when have you heard riots between sikhs and hindus. So Why only Christian and Muslims? We need to really contemplate what exactly Muslims and Christians are doing which is resulting in riots.

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By: Andy http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395162 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:51:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395162 Can somebody tell me that Gujurat riots (2002), Kandhmal riots (Orissa) didn’t happen?

We need to improve irrespective of anything. We should make India safe, secure and prosperous for all Indians. Look at Ex-President Kalam and his contribution to India. If every minority becomes another Kalam, how much India will progress.

It is the duty of strong and majority to protect the weak and minority.

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By: Ranbir http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395134 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:32:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395134 The US has absolutely no business telling anyone else about religious freedoms and even if a so called US commission (full of predominantly Christians) labels other nations its report should be deservedly thrown into trash. Here are just a few reasons why:

– When the US cancels Christmas holiday or Thanksgiving holiday or provides a holiday for chosen important days of other religions then it might be considered truly providing “freedom” and “equality” to all religions. Of cos knowing US christians they will find a way to define Christmas and Thanksgiving as a “secular” holidays – doesnt it occur to them that may be believers of other religions have other more important religious days in a year

– When a US presidential candidate does’nt have to move mountain and earth to prove that he/she is not a muslim but is in fact a CHRISTIAN then the US may be considered more impartial – as Colin Powell said what if Obama was muslim ?? – of cos we all know then he would not have had a chance to win in this so called “equal” society

– When US airports do not routinely profile and harass passengers with last names like Ahmed, Khan or Muhammad then they may have more of a right to say anything on the matter of religious equality

– When the currency in US says in addition to “In God we trust” things like “In Allah we trust” or “In Bhagwan we trust” or “In Buddha we trust” etc then it may be considered to have greater credibility

Till the US addresses issues such as these and many others its effort to label other countries should be considered merely as trying to boss around and such reports should be summarily dismissed and trashed for they are not worth the paper they are printed on.

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By: hassan http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/08/13/us-criticizes-india-on-treatment-of-religious-minorities/comment-page-1/#comment-395109 Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:04:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/?p=19085#comment-395109 I wonder why the U.S never makes a list like this? its apparent that even today, the ameican society still does not respect it sminorities. many americans are against the influx of the growing latino prescence and still continue to look down upon its african american citizens. not to mention the fact that they openly speak against its muslims citizens and use the media to spread islamaphobia. i see these things on a first hand basis because i live here. however this does not excuse the fact that india for all its progress does openly disriminate against its minorities. some of the attacks carried out by the ultra hindu extremist is just as grusome if not worse then what the islamic extremist have done. burning people alive, butchering them with knives and swords, that’s just as grusome as a muslim extremist blowing himself up in a marketplace. americans need to get off their high horse and indians need to make sure they don’t get on.

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