Obama gets personal on Palin’s “death panels”

August 16, 2009

OBAMABarack Obama seems to have taken personally Sarah Palin’s accusations that his administration wants to set up “death panels” for the elderly.

At a town hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colorado on Saturday the president got personal — citing his own grandmother, who died shortly before he was elected last year — when refuting charges by the former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential nominee about his healthcare reform plans.

“I just lost my grandmother last year.  I know what it’s like to watch somebody you love, who’s aging, deteriorate, and have to struggle with that,” Obama told the crowd.

“So the notion that somehow I ran for public office, or members of Congress are in this so that they can go around pulling the plug on grandma?  I mean, when you start making arguments like that, that’s simply dishonest,” he said.

The issue stemmed from a provision in a House of Representatives bill that would have provided government funding for optional counseling on end-of-life care issues such as hospice.

Palin, who has spoken out against Obama’s reform plans, and other critics referred to the process as “death panels.”

Obama, who has refuted the rumor before but is struggling to gain support for his overall healthcare reform agenda, said enough was enough.

“We’ve got enough stuff to deal with without having these kinds of arguments,” he said, without mentioning Palin by name.

Reuters photo by Larry Downing (Obama in Grand Junction, Colorado) 

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Okay, here’s the thing. I have yet to hear Obama say he would categorically oppose anything requiring “end of life” counseling. Mr. President, just say you will not support any legislation with this written in to it. You know people are rightfully concerned and you can stop the nonsense by saying you won’t sign a bill this in it.I saw what he said yesterday:“I just lost my grandmother last year. I know what it’s like to watch somebody you love, who’s aging, deteriorate, and have to struggle with that,” Obama told the crowd.Okay, Mr. President. What is your point? That is an open ended remark. You leave open the reason why people are afraid about “death panels” because it looks like you would support the medical personnel talking to and recommending she pass into the next life voluntarily.He did nothing to calm the fears of any person. Sarah Palin is doing this country a service by calling a spade a spade. Thank you! Keep up the good work.

Posted by TC | Report as abusive

Press on Sarah,after your “death panel” statement,first they said it did not exist,and two days later the said had been removed. Now we are told that the government option is no longer mandated,so all the resistance from ordinary folk and the prospect of the democrats loosing their jobs has caused them to retreat.

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive

Sarah Palin is the most divisive, inflammatory, destructive influence on this country in recent history. Every word she utters is aimed at encouraging violence and disruption. It is sad that the media give her the time of day.

Posted by Alexandra | Report as abusive

it is called poetic justice Alexandra,all the mean and personal abuse that has been directed at Sarah and her family,has instead helped to put the fanatical liberal left under the spotlight! Which in turn has left them discredit enough with the american people,who have given the democratic socialist health plan the thumbs down. It proves again, america loves the under dog! Rock on SARAH. Sarah 1 Obama 0

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive

Sarah Palin hit the nail on the head. Obama desperatly wants funnel free money and benefits to the so-called 47 million.. much of which consists of illegals and bums who could buy insurance but won’t. He seems utterly shocked that whitey dosn’t react well to him strutting around with his nose in the air.

Posted by Underbuck | Report as abusive

“End of Life” counseling was only a voluntary option. I also believe that everyone should have the option to get this type of couseling (voluntary). Everyone is going to die some day and if we deny this then we are not prepared to deal with death. It is too bad that the debate was brought to “yelling” about killing grand parents and “death panels”. Think people … emotional appeals such as this have no business in serious public debate. I have never heard such emotional pleas superceeding logic (except in the Bush administration about WMD) in politics. Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh also use emotional logic (Obama is a racist & hates Whites??? OMG where does that come from?) that has NOTHING to do with the facts.Bottom Line: The Medical Industry must be reformed are everyone will pay dearly any time they get sick. Meaning if you get sick, if you can’t pay, the taxpayer will at a very HIGH premium (like $6,000 for 1 emergency room visit and drugs that cost the companies $20 to make and charge the taxpayers (us) $200 or $2,000!People let’s make the debate civilized, based on logic and NOT based on emotional arguments that are irrational.

Posted by RB | Report as abusive

We already have Death Panels.Private Insurance Companies rescinding your coverage for treatment they arbitrarily think costs too much and are wiling to find or fabricate any semi-plausible reason to not-pay.Profit Motive in Medicine take both the “Health” and “Care” out of heath care.

What happened to “mandatory” counseling every 5 years or sooner? Pres. Obama is not to be trusted. Sarah Palin rightly tells us what could happen and her emphasis on the term “Death Panel” only brings home the seriousness of this wretched Bill. We need to dump the entire Bill and start over with “simple” reform.

Posted by kc Hochderffer | Report as abusive

Palin is attempting to take political advantage of the situation by fanning the hysteria. Optional end of life counselling is not equivalent to a “death panel”, rather it is a feature of a mature and humane system. When I am terminally ill I would expect a discussion with specifically trained professionals regarding end of life issues, so that I am able to make informed decisions regarding the kind of care I want. Palin is a shameful opportunist and her motives are only too obvious. The voters rejected her once and they will do so again.

Posted by libcon | Report as abusive

Sarah Palin is an ignorant pig. The only service she does for this country is when she shuts up. Anybody who listens to or BELIEVES her claptrap is every bit as stupid as she is. No, I take that back. They are MORE stupid.

Posted by Patrick Dixon | Report as abusive

Members of congress have the cadillac option, with no plug to pull for grandmas.The plug pulling is just for the public option.

Posted by t.g. | Report as abusive

Hysteria Politics. If you have studied politics – hysteria politics is used when there is no other option to use. Unfortunately – the last several years that method had been over used. We are all getting burned out from it.The “Death Panel” comment was that type of politics. It had not basis on fact(s). Palin is really that naive or that twisted. Either way she cannont be trusted. i rather listed to someone that was concerned about this plan state so in a well reasoned tone. You will not get me to listen to any politician that uses tactics like this. I value doing the research – so I know what is in that plan and I know where this “rumor” was started. It still amazes me, however – that so many people get sucked into this type of political act. It amazes me how many people do not take the time to read the plan themselves.We all know we need a solution to our health care issue.It would be nice if most of us would use reason to help create a good solution. When you let passion out way reason – you loose.

Posted by cybersense | Report as abusive

Hi, Alexandra, I get that you don’t like the lady and you’re welcome to your opinion, but the fact remains: she called them on the rug, they first denied, then they admitted it was true and supposedly removed it. Have you read through the bill? Seriously, have you? It affects your Life. Did you know that if you’re not what They deem an important person in society, you get pushed to the back of the list for treatments..If they even decide to let you have them? Have you studied history? This is the same kind of thing that happened to Russia and so many other countries…and people that can afford to get here from those places come running to the US for our care. Have you ever been in an ER? There is a huge plaque on the wall in every one that states treatment will Not be denied regardless of race, status, or ability to pay…this is true all across the country. But wait, let’s look at our own history: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security…Government-run and BANKRUPT. Un-related program, but government-run: cash for clunkers. OMW, less than a week before they had to Double the amount of money they were spending on the program to keep it afloat! See, people haven’t been involved in politics and now they’re starting to wake up and see the dirt and literal Crime going on in our government, which is supposed to SERVE AND PROTECT us. Think about it…where does the government get money to run? From the people. So you might get a cheap car this week, but you’re going to Pay for the next few decades, baby.Yes, our healthcare needs some tweaking…some competition to make it get better, but government-required quantity instead of quality is Not the answer. It would just end up in more paperwork, longer lines, not-as-good care, and increased taxes. Yes, our taxes would be used to give illegal aliens Free care. Our taxes would be used to pay for healthcare for people too lazy to work. Our taxes would be used to pay for teen abortions, for euthanasia, etc.I am not pro-Republican. They’ve been just as greedy and selfish and the Democrats. These politicians need to get the message loud and clear that we don’t want to pay for their experiments. That we want them to SERVE and PROTECT our great Country by upholding the Constitution! They are running us into more and more debt and lining their pockets.Oh, and the most telling thing of all with this ridiculous healthcare? They are exempting themselves from any program stipulations and requirements. Talk about elitism. They’ve got it completely backwards.

Posted by lady | Report as abusive

you’re spot-on, alexandra: sarah palin should just shut up, pay her taxes, grow sick and old on z-rate government health care, and take with full equanimity the decision of the death panel when it deams that it’s her time to check out. after all, what is a good american but one who sits down, shuts up, and pays out with nary a peep?

Posted by jd | Report as abusive

Thank you Sarah Palin for exposing this to the point that they are going to take another look at the bill and possibly remove this. You are not divisive! You expose the truth, and if there are people who can discern the truth, they will listen. Thanks and God Bless!

Posted by Liz | Report as abusive

This man is disgusting, deceitful, and dangerous. He has to go. Everything he says distracts fromt the evil that he is actually interested in doing. And, one poster here calls Sarah Palin divisive? Listen to the sentiment, in that poster’s words – sadness, loss, and victimhood. “leave us alone, Sarah!” It’s like a little demon that doesn’t want to be found out. Obama is horrid, and it is up to brave Americans to take a big enough stand to bring him down, amidst all of these whiny accusations and “you’re hurting me!” groupthink that the Obamabots are going to hurl at us, as we tear down their “blessed savior.”When Obama says “we’ve got enough stuff to deal with without having these kinds of arguments,” he is arrogantly saying, basically, shut up so I can get to work killing people. Dumb, needy people swallow the drivel he puts out — don’t let yourself be fooled.

Posted by Michael | Report as abusive

Could this discussion be more insane? People are terrified that faceless government bureaucrats will be making health care decisions for them! Just who do they think is running the insurance companies… loving family members? It’s a bunch of bureaucrats! with the added bonus of being profit-driven and greedy! The argument is so absurd it’s laughable. These ninnies are FIGHTING TO HAVE CORPORATIONS DENY THEM HEALTHCARE.Many millions of Americans have been dumped from private insurance when they found themselves ill. Millions more are denied life-saving healthcare by private insurers EVERY DAY. The reason we have a health insurance crisis is because private insurers run their businesses for profit, not for the welfare of individuals. No one does “death panels” better than a for-profit insurer’s actuary, assisted by thousands of managers and clerical workers. We pay their salaries so they can do this.The shame of all this is that that the fearmongerers blatantly lied just to frighten seniors and to force this very useful and important counseling right off the table for no other reason than political point-scoring.It appears that nothing will stem the hysterical delusions of the wilfully ignorant. The tea-baggers, the birthers, the town hall hissy fitters, the fundamentalists the so-called “family values” crowd – the whole ignorant lot of them – don’t care about the facts. The truth is, the wilfully ignorant are scared to death. They see a world of change that is leaving them behind. Their only response is hatred and delusional beliefs that make them feel that they are still somehow relevant, the truth be damned.

Posted by Lisa | Report as abusive

Since when is counseling someone on their options the same as forcing them to die? Why should the President ask Congress to take this provision (written by a Republican, btw) out?”It” never existed, Brian – you (and Ms. Palin) do not comprehend what freedom to make an informed choice means. Alas you outnumber those who do.

Posted by Tipp McClure | Report as abusive

GO SARAH!Obama’s lustre is quickly wearing off & the NWO is running as scared as the libs.

Posted by rfchicago | Report as abusive

It’s pretty clear that the democrats are the only ones wanting so-called health care reform. Although we need it in this country, now is not the time. Health care changes will come about in their own time when the people finally get fed up with outrageous costs and salaries for medical personnel. Thought for the day – don’t go the doctor for everyday illnesses. All they do is spend 3 minutes with you, give you a prescription for a med that their drug rep wined and dined them and talked them into, and charge you an arm and a leg.

Posted by Frank | Report as abusive

This is about Obama, not healthcare. Congratulations conservatives. You may have just fought against your own interest in the name of politics. Time to buy stock in insurance companies. Oops, too late. Their stocks prices already skyrocketed this morning on the news.

Posted by JK | Report as abusive

TC, you republican troll, why doesn’t he show his birth certificate also?36 other state have end of life counseling. It helps families deal with the decision their loved ones make in refusing care when they are terminally ill and do not have the capacity to tell the medical staff.I figure you and others like you are republican shills that use lies and innuendo because either you have gotten contributions from the health insurance lobby or you want to disable the ability of the president to effectively govern. Both are pretty disgusting.

Posted by BlSht | Report as abusive

The President called his grandmother a “typical white person” (I am still wondering what that means other than a blatant racist remark) and I am wondering how many times he went to see her in her last year to see her deteriorate as he says in his comments. It is also kind of interesting that she passed away just about a day or two before the election.I am still wondering about this guy’s enemies list and all of the privacy laws that may have been broken by this fellow. Then again, that must be the Chicago way, where politicians are thugs and crooks.

Posted by SDC | Report as abusive

The only thing we really need to know about Obama’s health plan is that the memebers of Congress all voted to opt OUT of it. If they wouldn’t put their own families in it, why should they expect us to put our families into it?

Posted by Chuck | Report as abusive

It is beyond my understanding how so many people listen to and repeat anything that comes out of Sarah Palin’s mouth. She is, without a doubt, the most inappropriate person, to give advice, that has come along in the last 50 years. Come on people! Think for yourselves! It is this propensity to glom onto the coatails of the latest news-cycle phenom that is driving this great nation into the toilet.

Posted by David johnson | Report as abusive

It is easy to see why Palin is constantly referred to as a “wacko” and a “nut job”: She is a demagogue, who instead of constuctively contributing to a debate, deliberately spreads misinformation and disinformation. For anyone to rely on Palin for accurate, reliable information is not only amazing it is appalling and dangerous.

Posted by Jolly Johnson | Report as abusive

Sarah Palin’s “shoot from the hip” brand of politics may be praised by some, but the majority find it an insult to their intelligence. In the latest poll(07/2009) her negative rating is a sky high 53%. Most American’s do not want her any where near the White House as they find the prospect down right SCARY! She did not help John McCain one iota in his run for the presidency, in fact it is highly likely she cost him votes. Why? Because she is a distorter of the truth.

Posted by Oral Green | Report as abusive

Mr. PresidentWill you personally read any medical legislation which reaches your desk in its entirety before signing it? Will you honor your campaign promise to delay signing such legislation for five days so it may be posted online.Thank YouRespectfullyWillard Gray

End of life counseling already happens. What the provision was supposed to do was offer an OPTIONAL, end of life counseling at age 50 and again around the age of 70 if it were requested. I’m currently 1/2 way through dissecting HR3200, the funny thing people don’t understand about this piece of legislation is that it’s actually a reform legislation aimed at providing consumer protections on legislation already in place. The “DEATH PANELS” as they are referred to already exist, haha jokes on them. The Older legislations people should start reviewing are the ERISA (1976, i believe, the year escapes me), Public Health Act of 1964, and Rule 115 of the US Tax code, I’m not entirely through HR3200 but these are the pieces of legislation I’ve seen affect.

Posted by JL | Report as abusive

get em Sarah – the left doesn’t like getting criticized. They are used to havign the media all to themselves for their one sided attacks. Turn the fire up on the libs then vote emo out

Posted by rp | Report as abusive

why is the stupid human obsession about try being inmortal,when your time cames, thats it, your donne, and the other hand not too many cultures (civilized)deal very well with the reality toward dead and the end of life,is just the end.

These Republicans, who are motivated by fear, are destructive and dangerous, and it\’s as if they wish to indirectly foster this violent sentiment toward Obama, which morally speaking is just wrong and rooted in a hateful spirit. Obviously, all of this shouting, fighting and outrage is not simply about a health care discussion on reform; it\’s about fear of change, generational differences (because they are stuck in the past), and yes, fear of a man in the White House who does not look like what they\’d prefer to see in the White House as President. Obvioulsy there are valid concerns regarding any efforts to reform health care, and a respectful debate should occur but not to the degree of people fighting and shouting at each other and having these ill-spirited meetings. Where were all the threats and fighting when the Clintons proposed reform? This is not a new discussion, but it\’s a discussion with a new face, and no one wants to admit that. These Republicans are claiming they want their country back, and that Obama is not an American citizen and that the soldiers should not honor him – and that he\’s a socialist, comparing him to Hitler. I suppose these are the same people who claimed he\’s a Muslim. Now, you have all of these threats against his life and the lives of his family members. And, you have someone like Palin spreading lies about a death panel. The real death panel is evident in the behavior and attitudes among many (not all) of these Republicans. That\’s the real death panel. And for those of you Republicans who possess better qualities than this, it appears you have a responsibility to \”change\” the very fabric of your own party. Shame on all of you for not truly living up to higher morals and Godly standards. And to think many of you call yourselves \”Christians\”, yet are blinded by your own self-righteousness and deep-seated prejudice.

Posted by DJ | Report as abusive

You’re welcome to your opinion, but the fact remains: she called them on the rug, they first denied, then they admitted it was true and supposedly removed it. Have you read through the bill? Seriously, have you? It affects your Life. Did you know that if you’re not what They deem an important person in society, you get pushed to the back of the list for treatments..If they even decide to let you have them? Have you studied history? This is the same kind of thing that happened to Russia and so many other countries…and people that can afford to get here from those places come running to the US for our care. Have you ever been in an ER? There is a huge plaque on the wall in every one that states treatment will Not be denied regardless of race, status, or ability to pay…this is true all across the country. But wait, let’s look at our own history: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security…Government-run and BANKRUPT. Un-related program, but government-run: cash for clunkers. OMW, less than a week before they had to Double the amount of money they were spending on the program to keep it afloat! See, people haven’t been involved in politics and now they’re starting to wake up and see the dirt and literal Crime going on in our government, which is supposed to SERVE AND PROTECT us. Think about it…where does the government get money to run? From the people. So you might get a cheap car this week, but you’re going to Pay for the next few decades, baby.Yes, our healthcare needs some tweaking…some competition to make it get better, but government-required quantity instead of quality is Not the answer. It would just end up in more paperwork, longer lines, not-as-good care, and increased taxes. Yes, our taxes would be used to give illegal aliens Free care. Our taxes would be used to pay for healthcare for people too lazy to work. Our taxes would be used to pay for teen abortions, for euthanasia, etc.I am not pro-Republican. They’ve been just as greedy and selfish and the Democrats. These politicians need to get the message loud and clear that we don’t want to pay for their experiments. That we want them to SERVE and PROTECT our great Country by upholding the Constitution! They are running us into more and more debt and lining their pockets.Oh, and the most telling thing of all with this ridiculous healthcare? They are exempting themselves from any program stipulations and requirements. Talk about elitism. They’ve got it completely backwards.

Posted by Lady | Report as abusive

@TC”Okay, here’s the thing. I have yet to hear Obama say he would categorically oppose anything requiring “end of life” counseling. Mr. President, just say you will not support any legislation with this written in to it. You know people are rightfully concerned and you can stop the nonsense by saying you won’t sign a bill this in it.”Okay TC, here’s the thing.The bill provides funding for “OPTIONAL” counseling on end of life issues. Why would this “rightfully concern” anyone? If you and your loved ones are scared of talking to a doctor about end of life issues…than don’t do it! Why are you interested in removing a provision of the bill when it is already optional?BTW: Palin gave a speech on “Healthcare Decisions Day” in 2008 listing counseling on end of life issues as one of her top priorities for improving Alaska’s healthcare system. Also, the Medicare Prescription Drug Act signed into law by W. and voted for by 42 REPUBLICAN SENATORS, and over 200 REPUBLICAN house members, contained the EXACT PROVISION for funding for optional end of life counseling.WAKE UP, you are playing the tool for the Healthcare Industry and Republicans that DONT CARE ABOUT MAKING HEALTHCARE BETTER…just more profitable.

Posted by dmullins | Report as abusive

I completely agree that Palin and the like are doing a diservice to the country by fueling hatred. It is not helpful. It is not in question whether the US healthcare system is not working, we need reform. Everyone should start from there and work together to create reform we can all live with. We will all have to sacrifice something in order to move forward. Where are the intelligent Republicans? I know they are out there, why don’t they show themselves? We can disagree without spitting venom!

Posted by Meghan | Report as abusive

Troll alert. Alexandra, you shouldn’t post while drinking.

Posted by hermon | Report as abusive

Looks to me like end of life counseling has been around for damn near ever, making life easier for the families of those suffering terminal disease as well as the sufferers. To imply that somehow the decision to “unplug granny” will be made by some bureaucrat and not the FAMILY is just stupid. Find something that really exists in the health bill that you would like to debate, and leave the total fabrications and lies elsewhere. They have no place in this debate and those promoting this baloney (like Ms. Palin, and Glenn Beck) are merely trying to divert attention from the fact that our health care system is broken and needs fixed. The illustrious Mr. Beck said as much just LAST YEAR. Now this year he claims our current system is “the best in the world.”So let’s argue about the cost, or whether we have enough doctors and nurses, or whether Congress should get the sweetest health insurance in the nation, yet many members want to DENY that same option to the rest of us. Those are real issues. The “death panel ” nonsense is just that – nonsense!

Posted by dave | Report as abusive

The proposed legislation never mandated end of life counseling, it simply allowed for reimbursement of it if the patient wanted it. Get your facts straight before opening your mouths.

Posted by Joe | Report as abusive

Sarah Palin is the most divisive, inflammatory, destructive influence on this country in recent history. Every word she utters is aimed at encouraging violence and disruption.Keep up the great work so we can get the majority morons that think the American public can be herded like sheep out of office.

Posted by John F | Report as abusive

Anyone who followed Palin during the presidential campaign would know she is a purposeful purveyor of inaccurate and untruthful information. She is deceitful and dangerous and it is amazing ANYONE still takes her seriously.

Posted by Dalton | Report as abusive

I think that anyone serving as a judge, passing judgement of life or death on the elderly should be publicly identified, a target on their back. Presidential advisors should be first in line

Posted by ed | Report as abusive

TC and Brian Lee, There never was a death panel. Geez, end of life counciling is about having the new health care changes (if there ever is going to be any) pay (not participate in) for you to get counciling on living wills, DNR’s(choice) and such. These are things you should do anyway if you have half a brain.Also TC your not so veiled racial comment reveals much about you.Keep spreading the fear and not the facts or do a little research… your CHOICE

Posted by JC | Report as abusive

I hate to be the bearer of bad news for all those who giddily and gleefully await every word from the lips of Sarah Palin, BUT, a check of the facts reveals Sarah’s “death panels” never existed other than in the strange, paranoid and conniving mind of Sarah herself.

Posted by A. Crowe | Report as abusive

More lies from Palin.There is no “death committee” proposal. It’s just another delusion from the crazies who brought you “Obama was born in Kenya”; “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (that name was a good joke!!!); and”Obama is a muslim terrorist”.Can we somehow stop focusing our national debates on the utterances of delusional people, and have a rational debate about policies instead?

Posted by robert | Report as abusive

To JC. I made no such reference to anything racial. I assume you are talking about “calling a spade a spade”. Okay, fine. Here is the definition:To “call a spade a spade” is to speak honestly and directly about a topic, specifically topics that others may avoid speaking about due to their sensitivity or embarrassing nature.”Sarah Palin is bluntly and directly talking about the “end game” on this issue. You may not believe it now, but when the government is finally honest about the money issue, it will no longer be voluntary counseling. It will unequivocally result in, “this is your age, this is your condition. We won’t cover it, so please pass into the next life without a word….Thanks for coming out!”

Posted by TC | Report as abusive

DEATH PANELS! DEATH PANELS! DEATH PANELS!What could possibly be the explanation for the American people’s positive genius for falling for the most blatant and obvious propaganda? I have a possible theory if you’re interested in hearing it….We’re idiots.That could be the only explanation. What other reason could there possibly be? Any takers?When a contemptible half-wit like Sarah Palin “twits” (an appropriate word) about “death panels” and the next moment it is a serious part on the national conversation – there is really something seriously wrong.Here is (Excuse me, I meant “was”) a golden opportunity for real reform and the idiotic Americans are screaming about socialism. Is it any wonder that we are the laughingstock of the industrialized world?http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.comTo m Degan

So finally we have a reasonable solution, a health insurance co-op. My mom and her husband belong to a lobster fishermens co-op and it works just fine. This is the idea I have been in favor of all along. A co-op will increase the buying power of it’s members and the fact that it would be non profit will mean that the level of care will not be determined by the bottom line.Brian Lee, of all the people who post here I’m surprised that you, who seems to distrust all politicians, would be suckered by the Palin propaganda machine. I understand your reservations about Obama but didn’t think you would defend Palin as much as you have. I expected as much from TC but not you. I hope this co-op idea puts your mind at rest.

Posted by Eric H | Report as abusive

Anyone who followed Palin during the presidential campaign would know she is a purposeful purveyor of inaccurate and untruthful information. She is deceitful and dangerous and it is amazing ANYONE still takes her seriously.- Posted by DaltonAnyone who followed OBAMA during the presidential campaign would know HE is a purposeful purveyor of inaccurate and untruthful information. HE is deceitful and dangerous and it is amazing ANYONE – while he methodically trashes the absolute fundamentals upon which America was founded and continues to perpetuate his purveyorship of inaccurate and untruthful information – (does he really believe this was all about him as he continues to run the campaign trail instead of acting as an “acting” president?) still takes HIM seriously.

Posted by Gail Reynolds | Report as abusive

Does Obama pay you to use his photos? Your piece highlights just one more picture of Obama’s “angry/barking/telling us what we should do since he’s in charge” shots.Since Palin’s remarks and moves were what spearheaded this piece – why not include her photographic (calm, slef-assured, not angry nor fighting for some kind of ego-oriented self-absorbed and so publicity-hungry) image in this article?You were only allowed the one photograph? Not even hardly.I’ve been involved in journalism for eons and you have always been respected (by me and all media for decades) for your honesty and factual reporting.It would be kind to all the longtime readership who believed in you…not to suck-up and/or bail-out at this point.Please do not let us down. We don’t need the OBAMA headlines nor the continual OBAMA pixs.ALL WE ASK FOR FROM YOU IS TRUTHFUL (as in your tradition) reporting. And if you are going broke – then, many of us would donate some bucks to you to NOT suck up to this Obama-power thing.

Posted by Gail Reynolds | Report as abusive

Eric. Please, sensible? Not only that, the backpedaling by the White House the the screaming of the liberals in congress show there is anything but sense coming out of the democratic party. Even your liberal friends don’t want a co-op.A lot of politicians are trying to paint the republicans into the villains (along with the health insurance companies and old people who protest the town hall meetings), but that is just a diversionary tactic away from the fact the democrats can’t even come together as a party to pass anything. They are their own worst enemy. It’s either the blue dogs or the liberals who won’t support any plan. It’s fun to watch the ship sinking.As the majority of people keep saying, it is better to keep taxes low and have less government in order to get the deficit/debt down, than to pass health care reform.Everyday there are more people (a clear majority) who say they are happy with their own health care plans than anything mucking around in congress.So, isn’t so sensible afterall. I have yet to hear any of these progressive reformers say they want anything to do with co-ops…they only want that elusive “government” plan to go through.I hope none of them get their way. We can’t afford it as a nation and as American citizens…in more ways than one. The American people agree with me. If they didn’t, then a health care bill would already have passed….You know I am right…

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hi, eric h incidentally i had some comments regarding the posting on afghanistan? I Think Sarah is a cool lady,would i vote for her as president no,i din,t vote for Mc Cain, as soon as Romney left the race so did i.Compare Sarah to Boxer or Pelosi for me that says it all,but i amuse myself imaging your reaction when i intentionally include her in a posting. You are correct about my mistrust of politicians,living in CA i occasionally see the discarded skin of a rattlesnake and i would not be surprised if several of of our notable democratic congressmen could do that with out any difficulty. The change of name to the single payment plans or any other plans are going to be snake oil,in the hands of these reptiles,nominate a commission of people with known integrity away from Washington and i might listen. Incidentally i have never had a crab over here that can touch the taste of the ones i used to enjoy were i came from ,god bless.

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I wish we would stop discussing the rhetorical words and started discussing the words in the legislation.

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Brian, glad to here it about Palin. The last public figure I have faith in is George Mitchell. Lobsters and crabs are cheap right now on the east coast, you should have some shipped to you.TC, I noticed you said “your liberal friends” maybe now you’ll understand why I call my self a moderate and not all who disagree with you are screaming liberals. I was never in favor of a government run option but still think the co-op is the best way to go.I still can’t let the “death panel” lie thing go, it’s Swift Boating at it’s best. There never was such a thing and I believe end of life counseling was added to the bill by a Republican but I have to check that out, you both do the same and then we’ll have confirmation.

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TC makes the following comment: “I hope none of them get their way. We can’t afford it as a nation and as American citizens…in more ways than one. The American people agree with me. If they didn’t, then a health care bill would already have passed….You know I am right…”*********Response:*********The US — supposedly the most powerful nation in the world, and supposedly the richest and “best” nation in the world — cannot afford a decent healthcare system that works for everybody?Is this a sick joke?The US was able to put the first man on the moon. The US has created some of the finest medical (and other) technology in the world. Yet the US remains one of only two Western nations (the other being South Africa) that does not have a national healthcare system — and you tell me that the American people CANNOT AFFORD that which every other industrialized nation possesses — a good healthcare system?GIVE ME A BREAK! GET REAL!This has nothing to do with affordability, and everything to do with ideological points-scoring — at the expense of the American people. Sooner or later, they will see through this charade, and sooner or later, President Obama (or a later Democratic President) will implement such a system.PHILIP

Eric. Check what out? There are so many bills mucking around in congress that no ones knows the final outcome. That’s what makes the issues discussed valid. If you think “end of life…death panels” counseling will be benign when you won’t be treated because we, as a nation, have no money, then you will be sadly disappointed and outraged when you are told, “you have lived a good life…”.BTW, your statements are always liberal in scope. You are no moderate.Anyway, Sarah Palin is providing this country a service by bringing attention to the “end game”. Health care will be rationed and old people will be the victims.Also, there is a financial incentive for doctors to give “end of life” counseling. Do you really think that is voluntary? No, it isn’t. Besides, why would that even need to be put into a health car bill? It doesn’t, if it is voluntary, a patient can request it at any time now. It isn’t voluntary, when a doctor strongly recommends it, then doctors up the paperwork in order to get the “money”.You are so naive.

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[...] was the cause for great consternation, strum und drang among the punditocracy and even Barack Obama himself who seemed rather annoyed that private citizen Palin would have and express an opinion.  Be that as it may, her words caused a lot of ripples in the pond of the health care debate which [...]

Philip. This quote is from a Reuters news story printed online today regarding the government health care plans throughout the world:”RATIONING IS REALITYBut the rallying cries cannot drown out the hard truth that access to healthcare is restricted everywhere.”There are not unlimited resources in any country to fund unlimited amounts of healthcare for everybody,” said The King’s Fund’s Dixon.”If you can’t get the care you need because a government bureaucrat will not allow the government to pay for the treatment…because of some sliding scale…etc…Then what good is government health care? Answer: It’s worthless.My point is simple. If you think the government can afford this ponzi scheme, then you are naive and you will be very sorry you didn’t speak out against this fiasco when you had a chance.

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