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House healthcare bill doesn’t boost public support – Poll

November 2, 2009

The big presentation — that’s 1,990 pages — of healthcare reform legislation by Democrats in the House of Representatives last week didn’t boost public support, with more voters still opposed to the effort, according to a new Rasmussen Reports opinion poll.

Just to recap where things stand: House Democratic leaders are hoping to move their bill to the floor for debate by late this week, it includes a government-run public insurance option. In the Senate, Democratic leaders are waiting for cost estimates on their legislation, which also includes a version of the “public option.” USA-HEALTHCARE/

The latest Rasmussen poll found that 42 percent of those surveyed favored the healthcare plan proposed by President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats. That was down from 45 percent a week ago and unchanged from two weeks ago.

Looking at the Rasmussen historical chart, support for healthcare reform has hovered between 41 percent and 46 percent since mid-September.

In the latest poll, conducted after House Democrats unveiled their legislation last week, 54 percent opposed the legislative effort on healthcare reform. That was up three points from the previous week and unchanged from two weeks earlier.

Opposition to healthcare reform has hovered between 50 percent and 56 percent since mid-September.

“Perhaps the most stunning aspect of the numbers is how stable they have been through months of debate, town hall protests, presidential speeches, congressional wrangling and more,” Rasmussen Reports says.

Has your view changed on healthcare reform either way? If it did, why?

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Photo credit: Reuters/Joshua Roberts (protesters of healthcare reform legislation)

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Well, well well. What a surprise. The public does not support any health care plan mucking around in congress.

As I have said before, everything I have said about this administration and how it is trying to force their lousy agenda on the majority who want nothing to do with their lousy agenda is coming true.

Nothing more needs to be said. The majority are making their voices heard, loud and clear. Unfortunately, this bunch in power could care less what people want. They have an agenda…

Posted by TC | Report as abusive
 

I think that this health care system is going to kill more people that it will help it will be like the VA. There was a older man that I had seen sitting there every day for weeks and open till close he was there and it seemed every day they would come out and say, I’m sorry but the DR could not see you today maybe tomorrow. It seemed like they were just hoping he would die so they did not have to help him.

Posted by justin | Report as abusive
 

Sadly, we no longer have representative government. It is obvious that many of our representatives simply act to preserve self serving agendas unrelated to the wishes of their constituents. Trust in our representatives has deteriorated to an all time low and “honest politician” has become an oxymoron. When polls demonstrated people would rather pick their representatives randomly out of a phone book rather than go through and an electoral process there is something pathological that has infected our systems. I suspect it is greed and self serving behaviors of so many of our politicians. The rising distrust and anger emanating from the silent majority is becoming significantly more vocal and active and they will remove from office those who have not represented their constituents. Subverting our wonderful system of checks and balances will eventually be corrected… hopefully before our government implodes in debt.

Posted by Marvin | Report as abusive
 

Tabassum Zakaria shows his conservative bias yet again. Hey, Tabassum, why do you only quote Rasmussen polls? Looking at all the other polls, Rasmussen is the out-liar. Whoops, I meant outlier.

http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll -Oct. 22-25, 2009

“Do you generally approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing in handling the issue of health care reform?”

Approve- 43%
Disapprove-48%
Unsure -9%

“Do you generally approve or disapprove of the way that Republicans in Congress are handling the issue of health care reform?”

Approve-23%
Disapprove-64%
Unsure-16%

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Oct. 16-18, 2009

“From everything you have heard or read so far, do you favor or oppose Barack Obama’s plan to reform health care?”

Favor-49%
Oppose-49%
Unsure-2%

“Who do you trust more to handle major changes in the country’s health care system: Barack Obama or the Republicans in Congress?”

Barack Obama-50%

Republicans-
in Congress- 34%- OUCH

Both Equally/
Neither (vol.)- 15%
Unsure-1%

“What do you think would be better for the country — if Congress passed a bill to change the country’s health care system along the lines of what Barack Obama has proposed, or if the current system were left in place with no changes?”

Passed a Bill-53%
Kept Current System-44%
Unsure-3%

“Now thinking specifically about the health insurance plans available to most Americans, would you favor or oppose creating a public health insurance option administered by the federal government that would compete with plans offered by private health insurance companies?” If favor: “Which of the following statements comes closest to your view:

Favor bill only if includes public option-40%
Favor bill even if did not include public option-18%
Favor public option, unsure on bill-3%
Oppose public option-38%
Unsure-1%

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Oct. 15-18, 2009

“Do you approve or disapprove of the way Obama is handling health care?”

Approve-48%
Disapprove-48%
Unsure-4%

“Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans?” If oppose or unsure: “What if this government-sponsored plan was run by state governments and was available only to people who did not have a choice of affordable private insurance? In that case would you support or oppose this idea?”

Support-78%
Oppose-23% (OUCH)
Unsure-1%

“Which of these would you prefer? A plan that includes some form of government-sponsored health insurance for people who can’t get affordable private insurance, but is approved without support from Republicans in Congress. OR, A a plan that is approved with support from Republicans in Congress, but does not include any form of government-sponsored health insurance for people who can’t get affordable private insurance.”

With Gov’t-Sponsored Insurance-51%
Without Gov’t Sponsored Insurance-37%
Neither/No Plan (vol.) -6%
Unsure-7%

CBS News Poll. Oct. 5-8, 2009.

“Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling health care?”

Approve-47%
Disapprove-42%
Unsure-11%

“Which of the following three statements comes closest to expressing your overall view of the health care system in the United States? (1) On the whole, the health care system works pretty well and only minor changes are necessary to make it work better. OR, (2) There are some good things in our health care system, but fundamental changes are needed. OR, (3) Our health care system has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it.”

Minor
Changes-15%

Fundamental
Changes-53%

Completely
Rebuild-31%

Unsure-1%

“Do you approve or disapprove of the way Democrats in Congress are handling health care?”
Approve-25%
Disapprove-60%
Unsure-15%

“Do you approve or disapprove of the way Republicans in Congress are handling health care?”
Approve-17%
Disapprove-67% (OUCH)
Unsure-16%

Well, well well. What a surprise. Rasmussen’s poll is contradicted by every other poll out there. The public is demanding that Congress step over the obstructionists and deliver quality, affordable halthcare for American citizens. The most telling statistic of all is who Americans trust to accomplish this goal. 23% trust conservatives. A whopping 67% disapprove of the way conservatives in Congress are handling the issue of health care reform.

Nothing more needs to be said.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

I think that people who do not support healthcare reform in america simple do not understand the issue.

My wife & I are both self-employed and responsible for buying individual insurance coverage. So far this year our family has paid $14,105.36 in health insurance premiums, deductibles & other medical costs, and the year is not yet over.

I am currently on COBRA, but do not get the benefits of the stimulus package reduction in costs because i was laid off in July of 2008. Now my COBRA is due to expire on January 1st 2010. Because of a pre-existing condition, it seems that I have no choice but to buy into an even more expensive HIPPA plan.

Last year my wife’s insurance premiums rose 13%. This year, I expect the same to happen again. I recently turned 40, meaning another jump in my rates. I expect our family medical costs for next year will be well in excess of $20,000. I don’t know what I am supposed to do, as I simply cannot afford this.

The so-called “Choices” that the current medical system offer me are:
1) go bankrupt.
2) Give up on an independent career I love and take a job with a large corporation or the government just because it offers me health benefits.
3) Give up working altogether and go on disability – I believe that my medical condition (Spina Bifida) is such that it would allow this, even though up until now I have never seen the need to file.
4) Leave the USA and move to the UK where I was born & get free healthcare.

The only people who oppose this measure are either insurance companies, political idealogues, or else they simply do not properly understand the issue. These are the same voices that opposed electrification in the last century, let’s not listen to them now. Please remember what the revolution was actually fought for and stand up for independent Americans like myself & my family.

Posted by Chuck Whelon | Report as abusive
 

Chuck. The majority understand the just fine. The bottom line is that the majority do not want what is mucking through congress. The majority understand the health care system needs to be adjusted, but not the way congressional democrats or the president want force their version of change on us.

The fact of the matter is, the democrats and only the democrats in congress are holding up their health care mess from passing in to law. It has nothing to do with the republicans because not one vote is needed by them to pass this fiasco. Anyone who says otherwise is just ignoring facts (you do the math).

Want to increase competition and lower costs? Tort reform and allowing the 1400 health plans nationwide to compete nationwide for our health care needs. Those two things alone will decrease health care costs in a big way.

The majority of Americans know the public plan will not decrease costs (the CBO says it will cost upwards and at a minimum of 1.2 trillion dollars…the democratic leadership in congress and the president are…well..lying to us…).

Just the facts on the matter…

Posted by TC | Report as abusive
 

For those who think they favor this new Obama /Reid / Pelosi Plan, I beg you to look at the details. I am someone who sees no sectors run better by the government than the provate sector.
• Someone who sees that a healthcare bill that front-loads revenue / taxes for 5 years when benefits start in the second five years is using Enron-style accounting tricks that do the country no good and do not fool us into thinking that the bill actually costs less than $900,000,000. (By the way when did $900,000,000 in new spending become a good goal, when we are literally sinking under the weight of our national debt?)

• Someone who sees the record of Congressional forecasters in predicting costs and knows that even a number like 900B is almost certainly too low when you look at history of projections. Start with Medicaid. The House Ways and Means Committee estimated that its first-year costs would be $238 million. Instead it hit more than $1 billion, and costs have kept climbing. Thanks in part to expansions promoted by Henry Waxman, a principal author of the current House bill, Medicaid now costs 37 times more than it did when it was launched—after adjusting for inflation. Its current cost is $251 billion, up 24.7% or $50 billion in fiscal 2009 alone, and that’s before the health-care bill covers millions of new beneficiaries. Medicare has a similar record. In 1965, Congressional budgeters said that it would cost $12 billion in 1990. Its actual cost that year was $90 billion. The hospitalization program alone was supposed to cost $9 billion but wound up costing $67 billion. These aren’t small forecasting errors. The rate of increase in Medicare spending has outpaced overall inflation in nearly every year (up 9.8% in 2009), so a program that began at $4 billion now costs $428 billion. The Medicare program for renal disease was originally estimated in 1973 to cover 11,000 participants. Today it covers 395,000, at a cost of $22 billion. The 1988 Medicare home-care benefit was supposed to cost $4 billion by 1993, but the actual cost was $10 billion, because many more people participated than expected.

• Someone who sees that cutting Medicare payments to doctors by 21% will only lead to doctors not seeing Medicare patients (trying to reverse that cut in another bill so that it won’t affect the price tag on the healthcare bill is shameful and I am glad it failed)

• Someone who knows that making a co-op or public option available to business in lieu of providing healthcare, and then making it 20+% cheaper than healthcare plans will most certainly put the private insurance companies out of business and lead to single-payer over time. I say to Washington, If you want a single-payer system, then go out and make your case. Don’t try to sneak it in over time disguised as something else!

• Someone who knows that letting people wait until they are sick to sign up a for a healthcare insurance plan (whether private or public) and then not allowing the denial of that coverage creates a system where healthy people will wait until they are sick and premiums will skyrocket. That’s simple math. You need people paying in when they are healthy to offset high costs to the insurance company when they are sick. So this plan will bankrupt insurance companies or they will raise premiums on everyone. It will bankrupt a government-run plan (and we are already bankrupt) or the public option will have no choice but to ration care.

Posted by Jamie | Report as abusive
 

TC, is it possible that getplaning is actually not a person?i think it could be a computer program somewhere in the democratic central office,and when they see me and you send a factual posting they press the appropriate button!It is similar to an answering message.We get the same gibberish every time,yes i am convinced getplaning is fictitious that can be the only answer.They need to reprogram every now and then,it is similar to the repetition of none realistic cost analysis used to misinform on their consumer health care plan.

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive
 

Helllo. Does anyone want to pay my healthcare bill for $2020 a month and I don’t have a job? We need this healthcare bill or better. A business should not have to pay your insurance and you should not be dropped because of a pre condition. Who doesn’t have a pre condition nowadays?

Posted by Linda Jones | Report as abusive
 

The solution to the healthcare crisis is simple: abolish all health insurance and force all healthcare providers and pharmaceutical companies to give free services and drugs to every citizen who asks, or die.

Posted by Mufaso | Report as abusive
 

But you still respond to my every post, brian. what does that make you?

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

Brian Lee. I think getplaning is a paid shill. His only task is to provide a half truth. Often those half truths have nothing to do with the issue involved in the article.

He tries to make this into a democrat/republican issue, but we all know it isn’t the republicans keeping this health care mess from becoming law. The democrats are in disarray. They know they don’t need one single republican vote…NOT ONE!

It makes me laugh and he isn’t worth responding to. He is so lonely, he tries to pick fights when we aren’t even commenting on the article at hand. I am finished with his personal attacks. He is a typical left wing nut…

Posted by TC | Report as abusive
 

“I am finished with his personal attacks. He is a typical left wing nut…”

Spoken like a true conservative, TC.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

is there an echo in the room TC?i have told you this is a computer program,getplaning is somewhere in hyper space!or spaced out,one of the two!

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive
 

Getplaning, funny how the conservatriods classify anything that goes against what they believe as a “personal attack”. I thought elephants would have thicker skin.

Posted by Eric H | Report as abusive
 

Here is the thing-I think if Brian Lee and TC are good Christian Conservatives, they should look into their hearts and ask, “What would Jesus do?” And the answer they would find is have compassion, help the needy, the sick, -in other words, he would be FOR a public Healthcare option, NOT against it.

I agree with Rep. Alan Grayson: “The Republican health care plan is don’t get sick,” he said. But, he added,”The Republicans have a back up plan in case you do get sick, die quickly.”

That is the smartest comment anyone has said. What he should have added is, “that with the Republican Plan there is no room for the middle class to whine, let us “rich” people dictate to you like we always have, and you should be happy with what we decide. After all, we are BIG BUSINESS, or the WEALTHY and we RULE the world. Hahahahaha!!!!”

Posted by mrcg | Report as abusive
 

mrcg. No one is against adjustments in the health care to the American system.

However, that doesn’t mean the current current health care bills mucking through congress are good for us and good for America and Americans. It is interesting that their plans only insure 96 percent and don’t get fully implemented until 2013. They don’t solve any problems for our country. They are too costly in more ways than one.

Tort reform and allowing the 1400 insurance companies to compete with each other in all 50 states is the answer to competition. We don’t need and we don’t want the government to control this mess. The government doesn’t run anything as advertised. they have a terrible track record and we can’t afford another 1.2 trillion…

Posted by TC | Report as abusive
 

Tort reform runs contrary to free market ideology. That’s the core hypocrisy of the right on this issue. If someone is injured by the negligence of another, why can’t the market determine what that injury is worth? I’ll tell you. Tort reform is just another way to defund the Democrat party, who get lots of financial support from the legal community. Limiting the income of law firms by limiting awards is the goal of tort reform.
The CBO and GAO have both pegged tort claims at .04% of the total cost of medicine in the US, so it is a straw man with no merit whatsoever.
Allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines is a great idea. Just repeal their anti-trust exemption first, and let district attorneys enforce anti-trust laws. Insurance rates won’t fall one bit, you just watch.

Posted by researcher | Report as abusive
 

One out of ten people are unemployed and probably without insurance. How many of those say “yes” to the public option? How many would say yes if they had a job and had insurance?

Posted by Sct | Report as abusive
 

I feel that I fully support this bill at this point, because the need for change in general is greater than our specific individual needs or wants. The entire health care industry from provider, practitioner, to pharmaceutical, has been allowed to dictate how it will care for the people and has lost sight of its primary focus, to provide quality care.
There are so many aspects of this plan that the politicians keep overlooking though. The medical industry is wrought with overspending and has gone for too long without any regulation or oversight. Insurance premiums have gone up 138% for a reason and it isn’t simply corporate greed.
Private insurance companies are a part of the problem, yes. When regarding health, private insurance never should have been allowed to be profitable business in the first place. For-profit insurance means requires a need to make money and inevitably that is going to affect the quality of the insurance that people are getting from the company. Companies don’t want to spend money on an individual so they will take whatever measures necessary to ensure they don’t have to. But the medical industry has been profiting all along as well. Procedural costs, visits, even x-rays cost varying amounts state to state, city to city and practitioners are being bounced around by pharmaceutical companies to try and make money while waiting a year or more for the insurance companies to pay up.
This may be why the US was ranked #37 according to the World Health Organization. http://www.ourblook.com/component/option  ,com_sectionex/Itemid,200076/id,…
It is time for the entire industry to work as a single unit and break down the privatized barriers. Every doctor takes the Hippocratic Oath before receiving certification so when will the industry as a whole step forward and honor that oath?

Posted by JMaguire | Report as abusive
 

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