Tales from the Trail

Sarah Palin, climate science and e-mail

December 9, 2009

USA/Sarah Palin’s bylined opinion piece in today’s Washington Post drew fire from the Center for American Progress, which also took aim at the Post for publishing “falsehood-filled … tabloid nonsense.” Take a look at the liberal think-tank’s take here.

Like others who question the scientific evidence for human-generated climate change, Palin — former Alaska governor, ex-Republican vice presidential candidate and now best-selling author — targets hacked e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Britain. Climate skeptics have cited this correspondence as a sign that the science of climate change has been tainted with politics and maintain the e-mails show repression of data that does not fit the climate change case. The scientists themselves, and others around the world, have said the e-mail comments were taken out of context and reflect an open exchange of ideas.

The e-mails came to light in the weeks leading up to the climate conference in Denmark. Since then, the scientific journal Nature defended the scientists at East Anglia in an editorial that called the hack-attack and the subsequent heated rhetoric by climate deniers “harrassment.”  The Guardian newspaper reported that the climate scientists have received torrents of abuse and even death threats.

Plenty of people disagree with Palin. Rajendra Pachauri, the Nobel laureate who heads the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, told CNN the e-mails just show scientists “letting off steam.”

Palin said President Barack Obama should boycott the Copenhagen conference, but that’s not going to happen. The White House announced last week that he’s rescheduled his visit to the international conference so he can attend in its final days, rather than at the beginning. In the meantime, he’ll pick up his Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo.

Photo credit: REUTERS/Mike Theiler (Book buyers wait in the snow for Sarah Palin to sign her memoir “Going Rogue” at a shopping mall in Gaithersburg, Maryland, December 5, 2009)

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It is doubtful that Sarah Palin even reads the Post. In fact she couldn’t remember the name of the material that she does read when interviewed by Katie Couric last year. She spent seven years as a full time student earning her undergraduate degree. Based on her public views it is clear to me she is not well read nor does she have a good grasp of the facts regarding climate change. As Sarah Palin is not a scientist, I am baffled and suspicious as to why the Post ran this particular op-ed by the governor.

Posted by eddieblack | Report as abusive
 

When Sarah Palin appeared on Fox News’ O’Reilly Factor to discuss her new book, Palin and O’Reilly discussed the hacking of her e-mail account in 2008, calling the incident “extremely disconcerting and disruptive.”

This week, she writes in an op-ed that the “Climategate e-mails” are proof that anthropogenic global warming does not exist. There was nothing in her article, however, about the University of East Anglia’s email account being hacked by Russians being “extremely disconcerting and disruptive.” Funny how that works.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

It is always disconcerting when someone breaks into personal email and it could happen to anyone…anyone. So her point is valid.

Of course, it is also disconcerting when someone breaks into any email account as the hackers did at the U. of East Anglia.

However, regarding the climate. There is pretty damning evidence the global warming crowd has manipulated the data to push their agenda. So, Sarah Palin is right about the information that has come out of this. She didn’t break into the database, but she has the same information to come out of it and came to the same conclusions the majority feel about “global warming” being a manipulated hoax.

Talking about her silence on the hackers in this issue is a diversion by the left to demonize anyone who gets in their way. It is not relevant. She didn’t commit the crime, in either hacking case.

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The quotes of the emails show that they weren’t taken out of context. They were exact and to the point. This is just the dishonesty of the looney left shining through and alleged scientists proving that the bar for becoming a qualified scientist needs to be raised much higher.

Posted by jfl204 | Report as abusive
 

The fact that global warming deniers are crying “conspiracy” shows how desperate they are to discredit scientists.
The thousands of illegally hacked emails span more than a decade. Whoever stole them has only produced a handful of phrases that are being taken out of context to fool people who know nothing about climate science.
Global warming deniers have been attacking climate science for years. The fact that out-of-context personal attacks on scientists are the most successful argument they can offer speaks volumes about their failure to gain any traction by arguing against the evidence.

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The information gained is a blow to the climate agenda. Desperate? Hardly, the facts are the facts and it took several days for the global warming gang to come up with a response and the best they could do is say it was “taken out of context”. Well, the fact they were reduced to that response just shows how they were caught lying and manipulating. It isn’t a conspiracy, it is a fact. They were exposed.

To make matters worse, they destroyed the data used to manipulate the data, but ONLY after they were caught. However, they are fooling no one.

Global warming is a hoax. The planet has only changed temperature on average of .03 of a degree. The polar ice cap is the same as it was in 1930 and there are more polar bears than there ever were. These are facts regardless of what the leftist climate change fear mongers want us to believe. Nearly 80 percent of the people don’t believe in the lies being told to us.

Again, the evidence is clearly against the global warming fear mongers…

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Wow, TC. I have never seen you pack that many lies into a few short sentences. Let’s see-

The information gained is a blow to the climate agenda.

Well, no…there is no evidence in any of the stolen emails that shows scientists did anything with temperature data they weren’t already doing openly in peer-reviewed papers.

They were caught lying and manipulating.

Well, no…there is no evidence that scientists “fudged,” “manipulated” or “manufactured” any data. These claims are unsupported. If you have any proof that they are, put it up, or shut up. You are fooling no one.

Global warming is a hoax.

Well, no…the physical relationship between CO2 molecules in the atmosphere and the trapping of heat is as well-established as gravity. One hundred and fifty years ago this year, John Tyndall discovered CO2 traps heat, and year after year, the scientific community has only confirmed this fact. The only hoax is that if Koch Industries spends enough money on denial propaganda, the laws of physics will be overturned and CO2 won’t trap heat anymore.

The planet has only changed temperature on average of .03 of a degree.

I’m surprised you are stupid enough to post that one, TC.

According to the World Meteorological Organization and NOAA, 2000-2009 is the hottest decade on record, with its average global surface temperature about 0.96 degree F above the 20th century average. This will far surpass the 1990s value of 0.65 degree F.

I’m curious where you got the .03 degree figure. But you probably won’t say.

The polar ice cap is the same as it was in 1930.

Uh, no… it’s not. Global warming will leave the Arctic Ocean ice-free during the summer within 20 years. East Antartica’s ice shelves are disappearing too. Every ocean physics department at every university in the world agrees with this analysis. Was the Arctic Ocean free of ice during the summer of 1930?
Again, I wonder where you got that one, but my guess is it “isn’t published”.

There are more polar bears than there ever were.

Lie.

According to the US Fish and Wildlife Service, (June,2009) the folks who ACTUALLY COUNT the polar bears,

“For the Southern Beaufort Sea polar bear stock, the Fish and Wildlife Service estimated a minimum population of 1,397 bears and an annual human-caused mortality of 54 animals, well above the calculated sustainable rate of 22 animals per year. The stock assessment states that “the Southern Beaufort Sea population is now declining.”
“For the Chukchi/Bering Sea polar bear stock, the Service estimated a minimum population of 2,000 bears and an annual human-caused mortality of 37 animals from Alaska and between 150-250 bears killed per year in Russia. The calculated sustainable rate of harvest is 30 animals per year. The stock assessment states that “the population is believed to be declining” and is “reduced based on harvest levels that were demonstrated to be unsustainable.”
I’ll take the word of the Fish and Wildlife Service over that of the Competitive Enterprise Institute every day of the week.

Nearly 80 percent of the people don’t believe in the lies being told to us.

Um, no… While the number of “people” who are becoming sceptical of current climate science is growing, Gallup this week gave figures of “a record-high 41%” of Americans now say the “seriousness of global warming is exaggerated.” Not 80%. Interestingly, 66% of Republicans say the seriousness of global warming is exaggerated, but only 22% of Democrats. I’m beginning to think you are just making things up again, TC.
80%? That’s a little far-fetched.

Well, that’s a long post. I hope Reuters publishes it.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

TyC, go to Scripps institute of Oceanography website. Its clear you don’t know what you are talking about.

sio.ucsd.edu/

Posted by eddieblack | Report as abusive
 

Wow, TC. I have never seen you pack that many lies into a few short sentences. Because Reuters limits the size of posts, it will take a few separate submissions to shine some light on the truth.

“The information gained is a blow to the climate agenda.”

Well, no…there is no evidence in any of the stolen emails that shows scientists did anything with temperature data they weren’t already doing openly in peer-reviewed papers.

“They were caught lying and manipulating.”

Well, no…there is no evidence that scientists “fudged,” “manipulated” or “manufactured” any data. These claims are unsupported. If you have any proof that they did, put it up, or shut up. You are fooling no one.

“Global warming is a hoax.”

Well, no…the physical relationship between CO2 molecules in the atmosphere and the trapping of heat is as well-established as gravity. One hundred and fifty years ago this year, John Tyndall discovered CO2 traps heat, and year after year, the scientific community has only confirmed this fact. The only hoax is that if Koch Industries spends enough money on denial propaganda, the laws of physics will be overturned and CO2 won’t trap heat anymore.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

“The planet has only changed temperature on average of .03 of a degree.”

I’m surprised you are stupid enough to post that one, TC.

According to the World Meteorological Organization and NOAA, 2000-2009 is the hottest decade on record, with its average global surface temperature about 0.96 degree F above the 20th century average. This will far surpass the 1990s value of 0.65 degree F.

I’m curious where you got the .03 degree figure. But you probably won’t say.

“The polar ice cap is the same as it was in 1930.”

Uh, no… it’s not. Global warming will leave the Arctic Ocean ice-free during the summer within 20 years. East Antarctica’s ice shelves are disappearing too. Every ocean physics department at every university in the world agrees with this analysis. Was the Arctic Ocean free of ice during the summer of 1930?
Again, I wonder where you got that one, but my guess is it “isn’t published”.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

“There are more polar bears than there ever were.”

Lie.

According to the US Fish and Wildlife Service, (June,2009) the folks who ACTUALLY COUNT the polar bears, “For the Southern Beaufort Sea polar bear stock, the Fish and Wildlife Service estimated a minimum population of 1,397 bears and an annual human-caused mortality of 54 animals, well above the calculated sustainable rate of 22 animals per year. The stock assessment states that “the Southern Beaufort Sea population is now declining.”
“For the Chukchi/Bering Sea polar bear stock, the Service estimated a minimum population of 2,000 bears and an annual human-caused mortality of 37 animals from Alaska and between 150-250 bears killed per year in Russia. The calculated sustainable rate of harvest is 30 animals per year. The stock assessment states that “the population is believed to be declining” and is “reduced based on harvest levels that were demonstrated to be unsustainable.”
I’ll take the word of the Fish and Wildlife Service over that of the Competitive Enterprise Institute every day of the week.

“Nearly 80 percent of the people don’t believe in the lies being told to us.”

Um, no… While the number of “people” who are becoming skeptical of current climate science is growing, Gallup this week gave figures of “a record-high 41%” of Americans now say the “seriousness of global warming is exaggerated.” Not 80%. Interestingly, 66% of Republicans say the seriousness of global warming is exaggerated, but only 22% of Democrats. I’m beginning to think you are just making things up again, TC.
80%? That’s a little far-fetched.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

Reuters sat on my big post for 18 hrs? This is going to take some getting used to. Sorry for the duplicate posts.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

getplaning. I have seen many of your posts on vastly different subjects on many different, mostly liberal, websites. Either you are a lonely person who has nothing better to do with his life or you have a staff of people who help you deliver your liberal message. It all sounds like you know what you are talking about, but usually it is just the liberal perspective. That is your agenda. That much is certain.

As for global warming, I stand by what I said. Not only that, you know this is true, the “majority” of people, around 80 percent do not believe global warming is real or caused by humans.

So, go ahead and spread your liberal progressive message. It doesn’t make you right.

Posted by TyC | Report as abusive
 

I always source my facts from reputable, verifiable sources, TC. NOAA, Gallup, US Fish and Wildlife, published university studies, etc. You never give a reference to back up your ridiculous assertions. That’s the big difference between us, aside from our perspectives.
Stand by what you say all you want. Without credible reference, it’s just your opinion.
80%… LOL.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

That’s fine getplaning. I know you are a professional who does this for a living. Why? You destroy others with your “facts”. Interesting how the facts depend on where you get them. You have attempted to discredit Rasmussen and FOX, but attempt to take as gospel anything you reference. Well, that doesn’t make you right just because you say so.

You spend way too much time on this because you either have nothing better to do with your life or you have a staff to do the research. It is just too convenient, no one is able to research specific postings with the speed and answer (cherry pick answer) specific opinions or facts without having a multitude of resources at hand. No one is that good all alone without a lot of help on so many subjects.

But that is the progressive liberal agenda, destroy the truth with half truths and lies.

Posted by TyC | Report as abusive
 

I’ll take your post as a compliment, but as I have stated before, I am not a professional blogger. I have used this screen ID for years, and do not hide my associations. I am a professional and retired professional in many areas, but blogging isn’t one of them.

I find it amusing that you accuse me of having nothing better to do with my life while at the same time having enough time on your hands to respond to my every post with the last word, seven days a week.

I also find it amusing that you would consider the word of Gallup, Rasmussen, NOAA, US Fish and Wildlife, and quotes taken directly from the mouth of Sarah Palin to be “half truths”. I have busted you on so many lies on this board I’m surprised you still post here.

But, perhaps, you also have an agenda, and little things like facts aren’t going to get in the way of your repeating it over and over.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

Just because you say it is fact, doesn’t make it so. Interesting, I never said one thing about Sarah Palin and what she says (in fact, I have made it clear she is not my first choice to be president or hold any office) but you have taken it upon yourself to decide I take what she says as gospel. You will never know one way or the other. But you think by quoting her that it matters to me. All I have said about her is that she has is a force to be reckoned with, otherwise people like you wouldn’t be so quick to attack her and hold her to past statements. Well, all the politicians do that…it just depends on who you want to hold accountable (apparently no one is interested in holding the president or the democrat congressional leaders to the same standards…including you). No other political leader, with the exception of Bill Clinton, commands the kind of attention she has since she came on to the national scene. That’s just a fact whether you agree with her views or not.

I don’t spend all my time going from blog to blog with a vast database of resources to destroy what people say. I have always given my opinion and never said it more than an opinion. You have taken it upon yourself to follow me on this news sight and single me out for destruction. There are many others who say similar things, but you don’t follow them around. It is very rare you comment about an article. You go right for the juggular even if there are 60 other posts…you always find mine.

Just remember, if you say I have lied, you have also lied. So it is a simple case of the pot calling the kettle black. You are not above reproach.

I post here because there are plenty who agree with my perspective regardless of what you say. All you have to do is read some of the other postings on here. There are plenty critics of the president, congress, global warming, health care and so on. Most people don’t want anything to do with their leftist agenda. The last election proved this to be true. You choose to pick minor victories. I choose to look at the bigger picture. Only time will tell if you or I am right. In the meantime, you post a lot of opinions…just like everyone else.

Oh sorry…I responded to you again. My bad. I don’t know how you do it going from liberal website to liberal website all day long.

Posted by TyC | Report as abusive
 

OK, for the last time. If I copy text from the NOAA website saying that temperatures have risen .96 degrees, or text from the US Fish and Wildlife website saying polar bear populations are declining, or text from Gallup saying that 41% of respondents say global warming is exaggerated, those are facts, and they are so.

If you say there are more polar bears than ever, or that the polar icecap is the same is it was in 1930, or that the temperature of the globe has only changed .03 degrees, and don’t attribute your claims to any source whatsoever, those are baseless opinions. Get it?

There is another word for baseless opinion, but I want Reuters to post this. You’ve lost this one, TC. Time to grow up.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

You are a touchy sort, I enjoy you thin skinned smugness.

It isn’t a win or lose, but I can see you are that kind of individual. You must win. Well, here’s the thing. I don’t accept your sources. You have never accepted my sources and I HAVE provided sources in the past and every single time you discredit it because you say so. Only YOUR sources are valid (according to you). You are impossible to deal with because you set the rules every single time.

I know I am not the only one to say you are paid for your work. Something is really fishy with you, I just can’t put my finger on it, but you are not an honest person and you are a very cold lonely person with a “get you” mentality. So be it. I dont’ really care.

All I know is this. You are not the majority view with most of what you say. You have the global warming thing all figured out. After all, the “debate is over”. I get it. lol.

I can always tell when I have you. You don’t say a word when I am right. But you jump all over me when you think you have me. I don’t really care.

Just remember this, you started all of this and made it personal. Why? Who cares…

Posted by TyC | Report as abusive
 

Always the victim…where have we heard that before?

It’s really simple. As you say, it’s not win or lose. It’s fact vs. fiction.
When I quote a scientific or non partisan organization to make a point, you like to attack “my” opinion. But it’s not my opinion, it’s proven fact.

That’s why you guys are called “deniers”.

And that’s why you get personal when you run out of facts. Who is speculating that I am some professional blogger with a team of researchers? Who Googled my ID to learn that I post on many other forums? You know all about me, so who is getting personal? Who cares? You do, that’s who.

Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive
 

Here is something you should know. I have chuckled about it through this entire thread. I literally threw some “facts/opinions/carrots” out to you to confirm what I suspected a out you.

I know some of the information I gave is not what any liberal who uses government sources (which are undeniable facts. I mean you keep telling me so…). It was easy to manipulate you into taking the carrot. I don’t really care one way or the other about the fact or fiction of climate change. i really don’t. Seriously, with this government, what you or I say about it does not matter in the least. It won’t change what is taking place. I understand that 100 percent.

Now I know what pushes your buttons. Bye bye…

Posted by TyC | Report as abusive
 

Are you saying that all your posts are really intended to manipulate me into taking some kind of carrot? Now I am the one who is laughing…
So you don’t really care one way or the other about the fact or fiction of climate change or anything else?
So you are just an internet troll who likes to push peoples buttons?

Finally, finally, TC tells the truth.

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