Comments on: Dems acting like GOP toward Florida, Michigan - Bill Clinton http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/ Tracking the 2008 U.S. campaign Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:56:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Shane http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361792 Shane Thu, 29 May 2008 00:28:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361792 These rules were set by the DNC far in advance. Florida and Michigan understood these rules, the candidates understood these rules, and the voters understood these rules. 1) Hillary Clinton disobeyed the DNC rules by campaigning in these states even though she was forbidden to do so. 2) Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. 3) Many registered Democrats in both Florida and Michigan did not participate in these primaries because the rules explicitly stated that the VOTES WOULD NOT COUNT. The newspapers, TV news channels and the DNC all advertised for months in advance that these votes would not count. Why is this so called 'solution' even being considered? It is unfair, it is changing the rules after the fact, and it is based on the premise that the current primary results in FL and MI are valid results (which clearly are not valid results given the three points above.) There are only two "fair" solutions to this dilemma ... A) hold another primary in each state (a secondary primary if you will), with the amended rules B) stick with the original rules and the FL / MI primaries will not be counted. We have all learned this lesson since first grade. You don't get to change the rules after the game has been played. If Hillary Clinton feels that she is above the rules now, what sort of precedent does that set if she was elected President? Scary thought. These rules were set by the DNC far in advance. Florida and Michigan understood these rules, the candidates understood these rules, and the voters understood these rules.

1) Hillary Clinton disobeyed the DNC rules by campaigning in these states even though she was forbidden to do so.

2) Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan.

3) Many registered Democrats in both Florida and Michigan did not participate in these primaries because the rules explicitly stated that the VOTES WOULD NOT COUNT. The newspapers, TV news channels and the DNC all advertised for months in advance that these votes would not count.

Why is this so called ’solution’ even being considered? It is unfair, it is changing the rules after the fact, and it is based on the premise that the current primary results in FL and MI are valid results (which clearly are not valid results given the three points above.)

There are only two “fair” solutions to this dilemma …

A) hold another primary in each state (a secondary primary if you will), with the amended rules

B) stick with the original rules and the FL / MI primaries will not be counted.

We have all learned this lesson since first grade. You don’t get to change the rules after the game has been played.

If Hillary Clinton feels that she is above the rules now, what sort of precedent does that set if she was elected President? Scary thought.

]]> By: The Truth Is... http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361566 The Truth Is... Tue, 27 May 2008 05:09:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361566 I find Clinton's attemps to squeeze every drop of political milaeage out of her campaign repulsive and annoying. She is the LEAST qualified and the most unsuitable candidate. She disqualified herself when she revealed her true nature. I am very afraid of what this person is capable of - especially when 20 of her and her husband's detractors/dirt diggers have all been found mysteriously dead. I would like to ask her questions, like the author of this article: http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=9&num=11563 I find Clinton’s attemps to squeeze every drop of political milaeage out of her campaign repulsive and annoying.

She is the LEAST qualified and the most unsuitable candidate.

She disqualified herself when she revealed her true nature.

I am very afraid of what this person is capable of - especially when 20 of her and her husband’s detractors/dirt diggers have all been found mysteriously dead.

I would like to ask her questions, like the author of this article:

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/ar tman/exec/view.cgi?archive=9&num=11563

]]> By: Docb http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361317 Docb Thu, 22 May 2008 16:00:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361317 It was Clinton and their minions, Ickes and Harrim, and 10 others that were put on the committte by the clintons that made the rules when she was the 'annointed one'...NOT OBAMA. This crap of blaming anyone but herself for where she is at is too tiresome..she is a proven liar and thief...she changes her positions to suit the audience and her accent. She mismanaged her campaign and fortunes to such an extent that she is $20million in debt and the small venders are still being stiffed. She is trying to blackmail Obama for the VP or a Supreme but I pray he knows not to get too close to that piece of garbage with major baggage. It was Clinton and their minions, Ickes and Harrim, and 10 others that were put on the committte by the clintons that made the rules when she was the ‘annointed one’…NOT OBAMA.
This crap of blaming anyone but herself for where she is at is too tiresome..she is a proven liar and thief…she changes her positions to suit the audience and her accent. She mismanaged her campaign and fortunes to such an extent that she is $20million in debt and the small venders are still being stiffed. She is trying to blackmail Obama for the VP or a Supreme but I pray he knows not to get too close to that piece of garbage with major baggage.

]]> By: Rsay http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361305 Rsay Thu, 22 May 2008 12:37:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361305 It is obvious that the Republican system of executing primaries is far less complicated than the Democrat's election debacle that we are all witnessing. The voters of Florida and Michigan did not choose to have their primary dates moved up, their law-makers did. It is unfair to penalize voters for decisions that were beyond their control. The DNC should have never allowed it in the first place given how important these two states will be in November. Sen. Clinton would be winning if she were running under the Republican system. The appropriation of delegates in this primary have led to an inflated portrayal of Obama's political strength. He won three more delegates for winning the Utah caucus by 13,000 votes than Clinton did for winning the Pennsylvania primary by 200,000 votes. There is certainly something wrong with this system. Ms. Wulfhorst wrote in an another article that the results of Oregon and Kentucky were "mixed" for Sen. Clinton. I do not think that a 35 point victory in Kentucky for Clinton, a person who virtually everyone agrees will most likely not be the nominee, is a mixed signal. The race in Oregon was also closer than many had predicted. It is a clear sign that Obama has a huge hole in the Democratic electorate that has proven to be an integral constituency for swing-state victories. It will certainly lead to hardship for the Democratic Party come November. It is obvious that the Republican system of executing primaries is far less complicated than the Democrat’s election debacle that we are all witnessing. The voters of Florida and Michigan did not choose to have their primary dates moved up, their law-makers did. It is unfair to penalize voters for decisions that were beyond their control. The DNC should have never allowed it in the first place given how important these two states will be in November. Sen. Clinton would be winning if she were running under the Republican system. The appropriation of delegates in this primary have led to an inflated portrayal of Obama’s political strength. He won three more delegates for winning the Utah caucus by 13,000 votes than Clinton did for winning the Pennsylvania primary by 200,000 votes. There is certainly something wrong with this system.

Ms. Wulfhorst wrote in an another article that the results of Oregon and Kentucky were “mixed” for Sen. Clinton. I do not think that a 35 point victory in Kentucky for Clinton, a person who virtually everyone agrees will most likely not be the nominee, is a mixed signal. The race in Oregon was also closer than many had predicted. It is a clear sign that Obama has a huge hole in the Democratic electorate that has proven to be an integral constituency for swing-state victories. It will certainly lead to hardship for the Democratic Party come November.

]]> By: Ariel Rivera http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361274 Ariel Rivera Thu, 22 May 2008 03:20:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361274 Here is a lead-in in the NY Times: "As Obama Heads to Florida, Many of Its Jews Have Doubts By JODI KANTOR Jewish voters are vital to Barack Obama’s hopes, but among many older Jews, he has become a conduit for anxiety about Israel, Iran, anti-Semitism and race." Is Reporter Kantor correct, and if so why is such a tiny constituency so "vital" to Obama...or to any other U.S. politician for that matter? Here is a lead-in in the NY Times:

“As Obama Heads to Florida, Many of Its Jews Have Doubts
By JODI KANTOR
Jewish voters are vital to Barack Obama’s hopes, but among many older Jews, he has become a conduit for anxiety about Israel, Iran, anti-Semitism and race.”

Is Reporter Kantor correct, and if so why is such a tiny constituency so “vital” to Obama…or to any other U.S. politician for that matter?

]]> By: Mark http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361264 Mark Thu, 22 May 2008 01:22:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361264 This Michigan and Florida thing is truly unfortunate, but rules are rules. I am sure Senator Obama would prefer no questions, but why should Senator Clinton think it fair or just to accept the votes of one state, or either state for that matter, where the opponent did not have the opportunity to compete as he was following the rules? Sounds like a Bush thing [Remember Florida]. Split the delegates and let the party win against the Bush surrogate. This Michigan and Florida thing is truly unfortunate, but rules are rules. I am sure Senator Obama would prefer no questions, but why should Senator Clinton think it fair or just to accept the votes of one state, or either state for that matter, where the opponent did not have the opportunity to compete as he was following the rules? Sounds like a Bush thing [Remember Florida]. Split the delegates and let the party win against the Bush surrogate.

]]> By: diana http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361260 diana Wed, 21 May 2008 23:32:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361260 Obama removed his name from the michigan ballot as a political move, to give him a better standing in Iowa. He kept his name on the florida ballot and even ran tv ads. It doesn't matter who you back. the only logical thing to do is to count those votes, not doing so is completely democratic and unfair to the millions who voted. Obama removed his name from the michigan ballot as a political move, to give him a better standing in Iowa. He kept his name on the florida ballot and even ran tv ads. It doesn’t matter who you back. the only logical thing to do is to count those votes, not doing so is completely democratic and unfair to the millions who voted.

]]> By: JosephB http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361255 JosephB Wed, 21 May 2008 21:58:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361255 Please, no Obama-Clinton ticket. That is not a dream I want to be a part of nor is it a dream I even want to have! As far as Mr. 57 states goes, so what if he said 57 states. Maybe he went to several states twice? Please, no Obama-Clinton ticket. That is not a dream I want to be a part of nor is it a dream I even want to have! As far as Mr. 57 states goes, so what if he said 57 states. Maybe he went to several states twice?

]]> By: Suga http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361253 Suga Wed, 21 May 2008 21:34:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361253 The only way to solve this problem... An Obama~Clinton~Fusion~Ticket! We political junkies here...may be enthralled with all this hoop-la. But the average working American out there...is not following as closely. They see a primary that looks to be nearly split down the middle! The most productive and progressive action... would be to marry the two. A Heaven made DREAM TICKET for the Democratic Party.... A black Man and a Women...what an honorable achievement! Even republicans are saying how much they're attacked to Obama's sophisticated/modern style and constantly the GOP have commented how they respect and admire Clinton's spunk. Andrew Sullivan proposed it...it's absolutely a Win-Win! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article3866584.ece The only way to solve this problem…

An Obama~Clinton~Fusion~Ticket!

We political junkies here…may be enthralled with all this hoop-la. But the average working American out there…is not following as closely.

They see a primary that looks to be nearly split down the middle!

The most productive and progressive action…
would be to marry the two.

A Heaven made DREAM TICKET for the Democratic Party….
A black Man and a Women…what an honorable achievement!

Even republicans are saying how much they’re attacked to Obama’s sophisticated/modern style and constantly the GOP have commented how they respect and admire Clinton’s spunk.

Andrew Sullivan proposed it…it’s absolutely a Win-Win!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment  /columnists/andrew_sullivan/article3866 584.ece

]]> By: ChrisXP http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361251 ChrisXP Wed, 21 May 2008 20:58:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/20/dems-acting-like-gop-toward-florida-michigan-bill-clinton/#comment-361251 Julius screamed: ========================================== THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE HAS WON! WAKE UP!!!! 49 STATES that followed the rules ========================================== Didn't you mean 57 states? lololol Harvard grad? That's what happens when Affirmative Action gives kids a free ride into college; and now a free ride to the POTUS. Nubs without even a geography clue that even a inner city 3rd grader would've known! -- Obama Math: =============== A famous mathematical physicst von Neumann said "If you allow me four free parameters I can build a mathematical model that describes exactly everything that an elephant can do. If you allow me a fifth free parameter, the model I build will forecast that the elephant will fly." Julius screamed:
======================================== ==
THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE HAS WON! WAKE UP!!!!
49 STATES that followed the rules
======================================== ==

Didn’t you mean 57 states? lololol

Harvard grad? That’s what happens when Affirmative Action gives kids a free ride into college; and now a free ride to the POTUS. Nubs without even a geography clue that even a inner city 3rd grader would’ve known!

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Obama Math:
===============
A famous mathematical physicst von Neumann said “If you allow me four free parameters I can build a mathematical model that describes exactly everything that an elephant can do. If you allow me a fifth free parameter, the model I build will forecast that the elephant will fly.”

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