On the same day as heroes from the Iraq and Afghan wars are being decorated comes news that life on the streets of Britain for the average squaddie in uniform can be a trial.
So persistent has been the abuse shouted out in Peterborough to personnel from the nearby base of RAF Wittering that the station commander has ordered them to wear civilian clothes in the city.
The insults come from a small minority opposed to the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns, says the government. Not so, says the Daily Mail which quotes airbase officials as saying they come from a cross-section of the community.
Lack of public respect for the armed forces appears to extend beyond the boundaries of Peterborough. Last September, General Sir Richard Dannatt, the head of the army, complained there were no U.S.-style ceremonies for homecoming troops and the Royal British Legion launched a campaign calling on ministers to mend the “broken military covenant.”
Stung by these accusations, Gordon Brown ordered a review last year into public attitudes towards the military, which is expected to recommend scrapping any remaining curbs on troops wearing uniform off duty.
Would you welcome such a recommendation? And do you agree that we at home are not supporting our troops on the ground as much as we should?

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I agree that respect for our service personnel -particularly the dead and wounded - is at an all time low.
They are doing a very difficult job against hostile forces. The last thing they need is a hostile home coming.
The Government should take the initiative and demonstrate their own commitment and respect publicly. Perhaps the general public would then follow their lead.
- Posted by tonyOur Servicemen/women deserve the best we can give them in the way of support and respect.
- Posted by DougWhen in the uniform of the service they serve they represent our nation.
Any disrespect to them reflects upon us all and our Queen and Country.
Some have given their lives and limbs and any disrespect should be taken seriously as an ‘offence’.
(Could we treat any abuse of them as ‘Treason’?)
I am against sending our servicemen/women to any war outside of our country without 100% NATO backing.
Our services should remain in the UK in defence of our country and could be available for any emergencies here.
Unfortunately the fools in government choose to send our forces anywhere in the world that troubles erupt and consequently bring hatred to them both in the UK and abroad from a minority.
We are a small country with limited forces and should never be in a situation ‘where there is nobody at home when somebody calls’.
It is a sign of the times; both Iraq and Afghanistan are unpopular wars of choice. To many people the sight of uniformed servicemen cannot be separated out from the injustice and unecessary suffering of vast numbers of innocent people. The politicians who commit these service men and women to these dirty little wars appear to be immune from critism; the uniforms are a high profile reminder of these appalling conflicts. When was the last justifiable war?
- Posted by John BellI have an over riding sense of unease that the wars in both Afganistan and Iraq have made Britain generally unsafer. I am also always amazed that despite a lot of service persons being unhappy with the wars that they still go in their thousands. Signing up should not meen abdicating all responsibilities for ones thoughts or actions. That said abusing any one in public for what is ostensibly for our protection is just plan rude, impolite and not more than a litte cowardly and just plain dumb.
- Posted by SimonSo sending soldiers off to die for your own political ends is fine, but verbally abusing them isn’t… hmmm… why does the word hypocrisy spring to mind?
Of course, I don’t blame the soldiers for their part in recent wars - I suspect that refusing to go would have seen them suffer worse than public abuse - but you do have to wonder if Gordon Brown actually thinks about the public mood before he makes these pronouncements.
- Posted by Andrew Fishto be honest the armed forces should be encouraged to wear there uniform in public because they have either been out in iraq and afganistan or are due to go out.the job they have done over there is an amazing one and they have risked there lifes to save ours.ma cousin has served in iraq and is goin to afganistan in april and i am realy proud of him and his brother is due to go to iraq aswell.
- Posted by joeJohn Bell: Afghanistan is not a “dirty little war” or an “appalling conflict”. That’s an idiotic comment. Think before you post. Presumably you’d rather leave the Afghans to the Taliban? In any event, soldiers do their job, they shouldn’t subjected to this kind of treatment.
- Posted by David PritchardI think an important difference is that the servicemen of the past did not have a choice to join the forces and today’s troops have chosen to join up.
This, coupled with the WMD deceipt leading to the war in Iraq and the intangible enemy: “terror” just symbolises public distrust and the feeling of betrayal by leaders. The sight of squaddies reminds people of the unwanted wars and the fact that the government ignored the nation’s views on critical decisions.
If you want respect you have to earn it – in all aspects of life. You do not have it by default.
- Posted by O.G. WoodbineThe Armed Forces should be allowed to carry firearms when in uniform.
Then lets see some of these ignorant clowns give them some verbal abuse.
One joins up to serve ones country and not decide where or when to serve.
If you dont like it, get voting and get over the apathy the current administration has carefully engendered in the electorate.
- Posted by JasonCould the abuse be nothing to do with the war and perhaps the usually disruptive behaviour of squadies within a community. Anyone been on a night out in Aldershot?
- Posted by AI am American working with the British military in Germany.
The British military are truely an exceptional group of professionals who rightly deserve the respect of the UK population.
None of these young men and woman have a choice where they serve or for what cause, they simply get the order and go.
Treating them poorly for the uniform they wear or the cause that they are sent to deal with, is a sign of ignorance and intolerance.
In my profession I work with many miltary’s around the world and I can easily say that the Brit’s serving in the miltary are an exceptional breed and always enjoy working with them. They have an excellent sense of humor, they see the bright side of most things, and work hard on every task. Don’t let a small minded few in any way alter who you are.
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- Posted by BBWear your uniform with pride. There are some left in this country who truly appreciates what you do and respect you for that. You’ve earnt the right to wear the uniform so ignore the petty minded, ignorant minority and stand tall.
- Posted by PeterDavid Pritchard; both the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan are ‘dirty little wars’ with no clear objectives and are costing the lives of tens of thousands of innocent men women and children every day; Sixty + more died in bombings today in Bagdhad, why because of our interference; we do not learn from history. The US can almost be forgiven for bullying their way around the world; Vietnam, Korea, but we have been in Iraq and Afghanistan before and left both with our tails between our legs. These ‘dirty little wars’ belong with our colonial past; time to move on.
- Posted by John Bell“In any event, soldiers do their job”
which is to conduct wars of conquest and occupation in the interests of neo-colonial empire. Are Iraq or Afghanistan better off for being invaded by the ‘coalition of the willing’, with at least a half-million civilians killed in Iraq alone?
if ‘insults’ help some soldier wake up and realize the role they’ve assumed in all that, all the better.
- Posted by Kevin1. Do you insult Muslims for 911? Most would say no; so how do you know these servicemen have even served in Iraq or Afganistan? Hypocrisy one.
2. The Army do as they are told - as they should. Why criticise this when society functions because of varying degrees of sublimation? Hypocrisy two.
3. Did the whole Neville Chamberlain appeasement thing go totally over peoples heads? Peace only works if all sides want it - lots of people don’t want peace as hard as that might be to accept. Most want other people to believe as they do so they feel safe, secure and most importantly - accepted. Conflict is inevitable, as these conflicting posts highlight.
- Posted by grayWhat a shame!
If any British soldier, sailor or Marine needs a pat on the back and a beer, I’m buying.
It’s a shame some your citizens are not as brave as your troops.
- Posted by Greg Moats U.S.A.These people are insulting the uniform and the personal wearing the uniform.
- Posted by Mr M.K. RoseService personal have earned the right to wear the uniform and should wear it with pride.
I challenge those who abuse the uniform and insult the people wearing the uniform to earn the right to wear such a uniform themselves.
It is unfortunate that soldiers come under these attacks personally, as they are merely following orders, trying to do their best i suppose. However it is a direct consequence of the two aggressive, ILLEGAL (a fact that the English speaking press is keen to omit in recent coverage) wars which Britain has been engaged in alongside the unpopular imperial power of the day, namely the USA.
Also, the extent to which the troops returning from Iraq in particular can be dubbed ‘Heros’ like in the article above is rather dubious. Last year two SAS officers were arrested for planting a bomb in Basra. An official WAR CRIMES trial is being submitted for review this year, in which it is alleged that twenty or more prisoners, including civilians (source: BBC), were held in conditions that amount to torture and executed. This is on top of the photographs we have all seen of British soldiers beating hooded prisoners.
All the while the Army top brass denies any kind of endemic or institutional bad practice.
Actually, all those things considered, its a wonder that Soldiers don’t receive MORE abuse from the general public.
In fact, you could say that our Armed Forces have disgraced us, the British people, who can no longer rightly say that Britain stands for justice and THE RULE OF LAW.
p.s. Did I mention the complete illegality of the conflict in Iraq?
- Posted by Ed Allenhi i am soldier serving in afghan and i know that out there are people who do back our armed forces. I dont think that there is enough national pride in our country, and for one simple reason. The country worries more about immigration and others welfare than its own people. When soldiers say these word we are looked at as racists, and thats not the case. The armed forces is a peace keeping force and we as a whole joined to protect those who are unable to protect themselves, and this point should be pushed out to the rest of the country. So dont pass judgement on us, we do as we are told, and we do our job professionally and with pride.
- Posted by AntonyDave Pritchard; Bullying? Shame on you! I’m thinking there are millions of South Koreans that would laugh in your face. There are also millions of Vietnamese that wish we would have lived up to our promises. Your mindset is very reminiscent of British appeasement prior to WWII.
“War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things.The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth fighting for is much worse. A man A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself”
- Posted by Greg Moats U.S.A.As a resident of Peterborough I am deeply ashamed of the city in which I live. I am not there from choice, rather work brought me to the city.
I find the actions of these people who, I deeply hope and believe are a minority, abhorrent.
As a country we need to be able defend ourselves and our beliefs. As such we should respect our troops for the difficult and unsavoury work they undertake.
We should save any backlash for their involvement in unpopular campaigns for the politicians who have placed them in that arena of conflict. The public can do something about this - it is called using their vote and this can be done at any General Election. This seems to be something that is increasingly ignored by the very people who demand changes to way things happen in this country.
- Posted by RichardDave Pritchard; Please accept my apology. My comment was meant for John Bell.
- Posted by Greg Moats U.S.A.Its the state of british society nowadays, no respect, look at the firemen who get assaulted with bricks when they try and put out a fire. The population needs scape goats, its just that they cant get close enough to politicians…
- Posted by bazI find it very sad that people would treat any member of the forces in such a dispicable manner. They are grateful for the help of the serving members when there are problems at home, they kept the fire engines running during the firemens strike, they worked non stop during the floods to ensure peoples safety and then this.
I find it strange that people want the freedom to do anything and say anything they want when they want but are not prepered to do anything to deserve those freedoms.
The type of people who do this to our service men and women are the poorest specimens of mankind walking and deserve to be treated with utter contempt.
I was proud to wear my uniform and serve my country - pity these contemptable lowlife are only capable of targeting the very people that are there fighting for their right of such scum to be dispicable
- Posted by David BeardsleyWhat none of us should ever forget is that all the freeoms and rights we enjoy in this land were obtained for us by the sacrifice of someones brother, sister, father . mother.
- Posted by Andrew FretwellThose prepared to fight on our behalf deserve the utmost respect from those who enjoy and abuse those rights.
It should be a serious criminal offence to abuse and/or attack the armed forces personnel.
I think the idea that our Armed Forces are made up of pillars of the community who have selflessly devoted themselves to the protection of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan is naive.
Heaping praise upon an organisation of volunteers who have been involved in an illigal and unpopular campaign of epic ‘we know whats best for everyone else and we’ve got big guns’proporions is equally so
If service personel are abused in the street perhaps it beacuse they have lost the repsect of the public at large, I note that there are no reports of anyone taking the abusers to task, which suggests apathy or tacit agreement
The oft quoted idea that our Forces are the best in the world is a clasic example of ‘give a small man a big title and watch him work for you’
The Army in particular has an applaing record of recent human rights abuses and most people are aware of this, those that leap unthinkingly to thier defence are the same people that wanted to be friends with the school bully I suspect
- Posted by S.MannersI fail to see why when not on duty soldiers wear the uniform anyway.
Police and other services do not when not on duty.
What is the point of wearing it when not on duty?
None!
- Posted by DavidMembers of the services should be left to make their own decision as to whether they wear uniform when off duty and off base. There is also a clear difference between supporting our service personnel and supporting the wars in which they are engaged. The politicians sent them into these wars and it is the politicians who should receive the abuse of those who don’t like the wars.
The far bigger and more important issue here is that no-one in authority or in the media dare say (yet) who these so-called “members of the public” who are abusing the servicemen actually are. It will be interesting to see which, if any, newspapers have the integrity to ignore the government muzzle and print the truth.
- Posted by Mike TSorry, I think we’re being manipulated here. The main reuters article:- “No details of the alleged incidents were released. Cambridgeshire Police said they had received no reports of abuse against RAF personnel.”
I suspect that what’s going on is an attempt to conflate opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and the occupation of Iraq with lack of support for British soldiers. Another nasty piece of propaganda.
- Posted by martin whinneryMike T,
I absolutley disagree, why should soldiers wear a uniform when off duty, policemen , nurses , ambulance staff, security guards, bin men , air force fighter pilots and tesco checkout people dont…………where’s the difference?
Equally , it most certainly is a matter for the individual soldier and not the state, as they are all volunteers, if we had conscription then it would be a different matter, granted some individuals have been signed up for some years, but someone who took the Queens shilling 12 months ago and is in Iraq now may reasonably be held to be supporting the view of the current Government, a Government you find to be guilty of muzzling the free press.
I ask again, why no’one stood up for these abused service personel ………there must have been numerous bytsanders………it can only be cowardice , apathy or empathy with the abusers…….or possibly lack of interest………I doubt cowardice and favour apathy……..which won’t be cured by a few badly ironed uniforms queing up at the cash point at lunchtime
- Posted by S.MannersIt’s absolutely disgraceful that some people find it acceptable to attack our servicemen in such a manner. They all deserve our grateful thanks for their courage and service. It’s the government which I blame for the total delution of our national pride which once abounded in this country. We need to regain our patriotisim and show the world why we are indeed called GREAT Britain.
- Posted by Trevor BonisAllow our uniforms to be worn with deserved pride.
There is no escaping the fact, that our armed services are the military wing of government.
Any thing that follows from that is a direct consequence of that government
- Posted by Robert BrownThere are no “good” wars–none of them. But there are GOOD people who fight them. And then there is the history. The present solideris connected with the past soldier. Where would UK be today without the soldiers of 1939, 1940, 1941,1942,1943,1944,and 1945? The degradation of the British military uniform and the man or woman wearing it today, is degrading all those who wore it before him. Once again let me reiterate: there are no “good” wars, but there are many GOOD people who must fight them.
- Posted by Joe ElliottJoe Elliott
Reno, Nevada
Anyone who disrespects the uniform is a coward. They hide behind the uniform in times of crisis, beg for help during a disaster, and demand assistance when in need and yet they would disrespect the very uniform that protects them.
Everyone in uniform should wear it proudly, in fact I would encourage hundreds of military members to head straight to Peterborough and walk the streets in uniform. Cowards never want a fair fight.
Funny thing is, 400 years ago the cowards who disrespect the military would be sweeping chimneys and scooping crap for a living all the time scared for their lives but because of the military they’re teaching class at the local liberal university.
- Posted by Warrior ClanHate to point this out ‘Warrior Clan’ but four hundred years ago we didn’t have a standing army - or chimney sweeps for that matter. Perhaps pedantic of me, but like many of the comments here, your rant is a classic example of people speaking without historical knowledge.
The truth is you cannot compare the modern army with the army of previous centuries or even with those who fought in the conflicts in 1914-18 and 1939-45: whilst there are arguably plenty of historic examples of Britain fighting wars of narrow self-interest, there was often a threat of invasion in the past. Since the conflict with Nazi Germany, however, it is undeniably true that Britain has neither been threatened with invasion nor has it ever seemed likely, and people cannot claim to have joined the forces to defend their country. The army has, rather, become just another career and people’s motives have changed accordingly. Ascribing them all with a gloss of nobility and self-sacrifice is disingenuous to say the least.
What we hear in the press is that our forces are fighting ‘in the nation’s interest’, which generally means furthering causes dictated by government policy - which rarely has much to do with the public interest or a genuine moral agenda. Soldiers, however, are no more knowledgeable about what they are doing and why than we are (the last thing any government wants is the army to start deciding whether their orders are right or wrong) so we can neither hold them up as paragons of virtue for what they are doing, nor deride for the cause for which they fight. If, however, in the course of their duties they knowingly do things that are morally indefensible (rape, torture etc) then they certainly cannot demand our respect. It is not cowardice to criticize, but it is cowardice to blindly do what you know to be wrong.
- Posted by Andrew Fish