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05:50 July 15th, 2008

RIP speed cameras?

Posted by: Stephen Addison
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speedcamera.jpgConservative Swindon council is planning to pull the plug on the 400,000-pound annual grant it makes towards running its speed cameras, saying the money could be better spent on other traffic-calming measures.

Its head of highways, Councillor Peter Greenhalgh, is widely quoted in newspapers as saying cameras are “a blatant tax on motorists.”

Local councils can no longer keep the fines the cameras bring in, which may explain why they may feel less enthusiastic about them than before, but there are plenty of other bodies like the AA which have always felt cameras are over-used and no substitute for active policing.

The Department for Transport says some 1,745 deaths and serious injuries are prevented every year by the cameras.

Would you be happy to see other councils follow Swindon’s example or do you believe that speed cameras are a necessary evil to improve road safety?

28 comments so far

Describing speed cameras as a tax is somewhat disingenuous to the authorities. A tax is something you pay to consume a good or service that is legal - since speeding is not legal, fines on it are not a tax, no more than it would be a tax if you were fined for vandalism.

There are, however, some valid questions to be raised. Firstly, do speed cameras actually work and secondly, are the limits they are enforcing appropriate? It probably is the case that some speed limits are artificially lowered to create ’speed traps’ and the cameras are tactically placed to catch as many motorists as possible, but if a given speed limit can be argued as reasonable there seems to me to be no problem with using technology to enforce it. The trouble is that people slow down just for the cameras, which suggests they shouldn’t be as obtrusive as they currently are and their locations certainly shouldn’t be included on maps and sat nav devices. People should stick to the speed limit regardless of whether there is a camera to catch them, and it seems the only way to achieve this is if they believe that a camera could be anywhere.

- Posted by Andrew Fish

I have been fined for speeding (38mph) twice and I accept it, have no problems with cameras and as far as claiming its another way of taxing us, simply stop speeding and the Goverment will get zero.
Flashing lights indicating speed limit are ok but will not deter those who constantly break the law.
Will you sleep ok if death toll rises again?

- Posted by Carl English

Lets be honest here, speed cameras are a money making device, camouflaged as a safety device. If they were purely for safety, then why arent they predominately outside schools, hospitals, old folks homes etc. I live in Worcester, and i can honestly say that they have been positioned in places where drivers may have to speed up to pass others on filter lanes to avoid collisions. We have a world famous blind college, but no speed cameras on the surrounding dual carriageway, and if they should be anywhere, it should be there.

- Posted by B Hunter

Burn down the speed cameras, and hang up the people who implemented them in their place.

The worst thing about this stupid small council (middle class) method is that they are clearly trying to rabble up the lower class (us) in order to put pressure on the government. (upper class).

So to us they say “unfair tax” and to the upper class they say “we just want our share”. They have no intention of actually removing them, they just want to rile us up so they can get a better cut of the money.

- Posted by Mike Smith

Well done Swindon. Its time to engage with motorists and stop alientating them.

- Posted by alan

The emergency services insist that speed bumps should not be used on major arterial roads so that they they can quickly get to emergencies. Speed cameras are needed on these roads to prevent other drivers speeding in a dangerous way. I don’t understand what alternatives are actually being suggested by Swindon.

- Posted by Martin Dobson

I think that it would be safer if Cars were restricted! Motorbikes are fitted with restrictors (restricting the bike to a certain Horse Power) Why cant vehicles be fitted with a Restrictor. Or even better a radio operated restrictor! for example, look how the trolleys at ASDA can lock the wheel when you get past the front gate! Same Technology on a speed restricter! Hell it would save so many accidents and police chases would only last until they get into a 40mph zone!! lol! Thats how I would do it if I was in charge anyway!

- Posted by Rob

Speed cameras are ok if they are put up at approppiate sites. However, it seems that in some places the authorites go over board with them. I know s stretch of road in North London (Islington),about 1.2 miles in length, where there are 5 speed cameras. Now I appreciate that they serve as a good deterrent to try and slow down some of the boy racers in that area, but we all know they were put there just to tax as many people as possible.

Flashing signs! Ok if calibrated correctly and if put up at safe places. How many times have you been approaching a busy junction or crossing, then this sign flashes you. Now that is even more dangerous to drivers as it takes their eyes of the road for a second or 2.

Speed humps and other traffic calming meausures are ok, but some councils go over the top. Put them in where there are schools, parks and other places where vulnerable people may be, but not on all the back streets. Introduce a 20mph speed limit for all side roads, and where it is a residential area, narrow the side roads to single lane with passing places. Parking areas can still be built into this.

But why just pick on the motorist. How about time the police clamped down on the majority of cyclist that have no regard for the law. I would love to be a policeman where I live. I would try and devote one working day a week to nick cyclist. A field day I would have. It would be so easy to nick 20 a day just jumping traffic lights alone.

- Posted by Tom Salter

Speed is responsible for only a small percentage of fatal accidents, there are many other factors which cause accidents, lack of attention and bad driver training are bigger causes. It make sense not to just focus on speed cameras, it is just plain wrong to think that everyone driving within the speed limit is safe and everyone driving over it is dangerous.
Driving at 30 on streets with cars on each side (someone only has to take one step before they are infront of you) is far more dangerous than driving 85 on a clear motorway. Also speed cameras take no account of conditions, the same people who complain about people doing over 70 will happily maintain their 70mph speed, without their lights on when there is a sudden torrential downpour, blissfully unaware of the their car’s capabilities (or lack of).

- Posted by tshirts

I regularly drive past a speed camera on the A128 below Brentwood which is just after a bridge with a pedestrian crossing and junction either side of it, what is the first thing any driver does when they approach a Camera?

Remove your eyes from the road to triple check your current speed, which in fact makes it more dangerous rather than less, it really scares driving twice a day past this camera

- Posted by Gary

What is it about cars in Britain that provokes such bile? To B Foster, who states, “i can honestly say that they have been positioned in places where drivers may have to speed up to pass others on filter lanes to avoid collisions.” If you need to break the speed limit to pass a car, it would seem that the other car is already driving close to or at the limit. Why then would you need to drive any faster? If the issue is that speed limits are too low, then campaign for that. If a speed camera, in whatever location, keeps you below the limit, it is working. If you think twice about breaking the speed limit because you will incur a fine, it is working. If you do not want to be restricted by the camera, or fined for breaking the law, take up a campaign with your council and MP, or forever hold your peace. Cars hold too much sway in a country that cannot afford to subsidise such a luxury to the extent it has in the past few decades.

- Posted by Karl

Karl: I totally concur with your point about speeding to overtake. However, I must take issue with your take on cars in our economy. For a start, they certainly aren’t subsidised - quite the reverse when you look at the revenue the Government takes in road tax, fuel tax and VAT on car purchases. Secondly, whilst they may have been a luxury once, I don’t think they could be called that now. Modern lifestyles are totally different to pre-war Britain: the commuter boom, out-of-town shopping and the degradation of both public transport and the rural economy means that, for those of us outside of the cities, a car is critical. When taking the bus to work means taking two hours each way instead of forty-five minutes (without speeding) in the car, it seems inappropriate to describe that as a luxury.

- Posted by Andrew Fish

I am a resident of a small town just north of Swindon - Cricklade, and yesterday (Monday 14th July 2008) I drove into Swindon at about 11 am. I passed a “Camera Crew” installing a new camera by the side of the A419, northbound.

They say that “Bad news travels fast”.
Good news, clearly, does not travel at all!!!

- Posted by Terry Smith

Since the government asked for councils to return the cheap money generated, the excuse of safety is slowly evaporating.

- Posted by Yucel

Speed Cameras are a tax on the mind and wallet and I’ll speed when and how I like on an empty road, just as an obese person will consume sickly treats in the comfort of their own home. If you want to stop deaths on the roads, authorise the police to be more mean on those who can’t drive, like 1. The Boy Racers - Cops need to drill them on the rules of the road. 2. Middle-Aged Middle-England Moaners - Yes you stick to the speed limit but you are a danger in other ways, because some of you really are: 3. Too Stupid to Drive. Yes, many people are too stupid to drive and will cause accidents, making an area a blackspot, meaning the Gov’mnt place a speed camera on the blackspot to rake in some cash to cover the cost to the community of an accident. But, let’s blame speeding! Don’t discriminate against me because my reaction time is twice that of yours.

- Posted by Mr Drake

what a sensible idea. speed cameras are unlikely, in themselves, to stop road deaths. lowering the drink drive limit, better road design, banning under 21s from drink driving at any level, would be a good start - along with education.

- Posted by nickw

And, Mr Drake, does your car also stop twice as quickly? If you ever looked at the diagrams on the back of your Highway Code you’d note that thinking distance is only a small proportion of the overall stopping distance. What if a child stepped out into your empty road? Or would that child also by your standards be too stupid to matter? It is not stupid to question a law; it is, however, sheer folly to think yourself above it.

- Posted by Andrew Fish

Speed cameras are absolutely another form of stealth tax. The sooner they are gone the better, speed bumbs are more effective in residential areas along with other traffic calming methods. Speed cameras merely make people slow down then speed up and take their eye off the road while they slow down.

Get rid and get proper traffic control that actually saves lives and get real police out from behind their desks, on the road and beating the footpaths, thats what society needs.

- Posted by Thomas

less cameras —-replace with a highway code and road test every five years/ and a rating of your performance with a grade affecting your insurance rate

drink driving/car forefited then require a test retaken and 5000 deposit/bond before re licencing against re offence

- Posted by d mcarthur

I would like to reply to Karl and Andrew Fish regarding filter lanes. The particular road in Worcester i am talking about is one where you turn right into a three lane carriageway. If you are in the far right lane and wish to get into the left hand lane, and everyone inside you is travelling at exactly 30 mph, please tell me how you can pass them. On this road, if you miss your chance getting into the left lane, it may take you a mile round trip to chance your luck again. I know they are put there specifically to catch people out, not as a safety device, and that is what we are discussing. Another thing that people overlook, and this is backed by facts, its not speed that necessarily kills, its bad drivers. A joy rider isnt going to see a speed camera, and think, i better slow down. But a normal law - abiding working tax payer, who commits the heinous crime of 33 mph, in a 30mph zone, is fined , points on licence, perhaps his insurance goes up, and worst case scenario loses his job. However, the joy rider who speeds, hits vehicles, and maybe people, will have to suffer 100 hrs community service, …poor soul.

- Posted by B Hunter

B Hunter: I can see your point, but it appears more to be a matter of poor road design (not uncommon in this country) than of the speed limit and/or cameras. Assuming the cameras were taken out, do you think that the other drivers - i.e. the ones you are trying to overtake - would still keep their speed down sufficiently for you to get past them safely?

There is a problem - not just with speed cameras - where something that starts out genuinely for the public good gets manipulated to serve economic ends. The way you deal with this is to get the decision making out of the hands of those who stand to benefit. In this instance, it is inappropriate that local government both sites cameras and receives money from traffic fines. With that decoupled - and perhaps with a little pressure applied by locals - it is then possible that your problem road would be properly assessed and improved, rather than treated as a cash cow.

- Posted by Andrew Fish

People spend far too much time looking for speed cameras rather than anticipating upcoming road conditions; thus “camera surfing”, rather than driving smoothly and conserving fuel.
Drivers should be rewarded for positive driving rather than penalised every 50 yards by a revenue collecting piece of technology that does not a) improve driving or b) encourage the right behaviours. Well done Swindon - at last some sense in a senseless battle of driver - vs - pocket bashing

- Posted by Julian Buck

i don’t think the speed cameras have a real positif impact on te roads safety. most drivers are still drving at over the speed limits and nly slow down when they see the cameras. therefore the drivers focus oon the camera signs and tend to miss other vital things on the roads.

- Posted by metin kaya

“The Department for Transport says some 1,745 deaths and serious injuries are prevented every year by the cameras.”

how so? fear of the camera?

i am more afraid of reckless idiot drivers, who probably don’t pay attention to the cameras or other cars in the first place. Which means it’s actually about the money. I believe an officer on a motorcycle watching an intersection is more affective a deturant

- Posted by Mark Jepson

Whilst I am now obliged to consider my wallet before safety (oh yes, I am!) I concentrate more on searching for speedtax cams than anything else, so they have made driving less safe rather than more safe. And if I saw anyone smashing one up, would I report them to the police? Never, I would aplaud them! I despise the government whores for screwing the masses.

- Posted by Steve P

Speed cameras should all be torn down - they are nothing more than another revenue making scheme. Drivers speed up and then brake suddenly when they see the cameras causing more dangerous driving than when the cameras were not all over the country. This country is getting out of control with all the taxes it imposes on people along with other revenue making schemes - such as throwing cigarette ends out of the window of a car and being fined £75 - yet drivers can drive past police officers and plastic police (CPO’s) whilst blatently talking on mobile phones and they do nothing about it.

Who know’s what is right anymore!!!

- Posted by Wendals

i think this is a sad day for every1 , they shouldnt be mourned though

- Posted by Johnny a gogo

Speed cameras are a blatant means of raising revenue. Far to many are concealed behind trees or road signs.

- Posted by John B

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