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	<title>Comments on: Should rates go even further down?</title>
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		<title>By: roger allways</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/uknews/2008/11/06/should-rates-go-even-further-down/#comment-6542</link>
		<dc:creator>roger allways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1.5 point cut to 3% was necessary because Mr Brown's mouthpiece - the inept Mr King - skillfully missed all the earlier signals to cut rates when it just might have made some difference. It is unlikely that, whatever cuts are now made, they will make much difference. This government appears to be steering the UK towards a Japan style semi-permanent recession, from which there will be no escape. 

So much money has been taken out of the stock markets by the unregulated predators who will never replace what has been lost by ordinary investors, that British industry will be starved of funds with which to expand, for years to come, as bruised investors avoid investing their funds in either the stock market, or in the pension funds that have so casually lent the stocks necessary for this dirty and dishonest game to be played and have lost their value as a result. Another of Mr Brown's inventions - the inept FSA - has flagged all this through, because Mr B and his socialist team love the filthy rich hedge fund managers, whilst hating the ordinary investor, who can't be as easily controlled as the simple types with cash in the bank.

Against this backdrop, it doesn't really matter whether interest rates are 5%, 3%, 1% or 0%. The principles are well established. As long as Merv King (the newly self styled international economist, on instructions from his master at no 10 - independence my rear end) the BBC et al keeps telling everyone the world is heading for catastrophe and the malign practices allowed to continue, so any recovery will prove impossible.

Time for either a detailed investigation by someone who will eventually conclude no-one in government was to blame, or a public enquiry into where this all went wrong (how often have we heard this - let's get the inspectors in shall we?). Talk about incompetence and dishonesty. This lot has it in spades.

Look again in 2013.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1.5 point cut to 3% was necessary because Mr Brown&#8217;s mouthpiece - the inept Mr King - skillfully missed all the earlier signals to cut rates when it just might have made some difference. It is unlikely that, whatever cuts are now made, they will make much difference. This government appears to be steering the UK towards a Japan style semi-permanent recession, from which there will be no escape. </p>
<p>So much money has been taken out of the stock markets by the unregulated predators who will never replace what has been lost by ordinary investors, that British industry will be starved of funds with which to expand, for years to come, as bruised investors avoid investing their funds in either the stock market, or in the pension funds that have so casually lent the stocks necessary for this dirty and dishonest game to be played and have lost their value as a result. Another of Mr Brown&#8217;s inventions - the inept FSA - has flagged all this through, because Mr B and his socialist team love the filthy rich hedge fund managers, whilst hating the ordinary investor, who can&#8217;t be as easily controlled as the simple types with cash in the bank.</p>
<p>Against this backdrop, it doesn&#8217;t really matter whether interest rates are 5%, 3%, 1% or 0%. The principles are well established. As long as Merv King (the newly self styled international economist, on instructions from his master at no 10 - independence my rear end) the BBC et al keeps telling everyone the world is heading for catastrophe and the malign practices allowed to continue, so any recovery will prove impossible.</p>
<p>Time for either a detailed investigation by someone who will eventually conclude no-one in government was to blame, or a public enquiry into where this all went wrong (how often have we heard this - let&#8217;s get the inspectors in shall we?). Talk about incompetence and dishonesty. This lot has it in spades.</p>
<p>Look again in 2013.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Marquis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Marquis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this was an appropriate stance from the BoE given its previous cautious cuts of nuumerous 1/4% but I bellieve a further quick reduction of 1% is required to stave off deflation. Also it will be iniquitous if the banks do not pass this cut on to mortgage and small business loans. Thank you Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this was an appropriate stance from the BoE given its previous cautious cuts of nuumerous 1/4% but I bellieve a further quick reduction of 1% is required to stave off deflation. Also it will be iniquitous if the banks do not pass this cut on to mortgage and small business loans. Thank you Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Zen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/uknews/2008/11/06/should-rates-go-even-further-down/#comment-6481</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then who are the creditors to the UK?  I mean who owns the UK?

As we have negative interest rates and owe more than we are worth; who does the UK belong to?

The Chinese or the Gulf Co-Operation Council?

Can I theoretically buy English people as slave labour yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then who are the creditors to the UK?  I mean who owns the UK?</p>
<p>As we have negative interest rates and owe more than we are worth; who does the UK belong to?</p>
<p>The Chinese or the Gulf Co-Operation Council?</p>
<p>Can I theoretically buy English people as slave labour yet?</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/uknews/2008/11/06/should-rates-go-even-further-down/#comment-6479</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more no less.Three is the magic number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more no less.Three is the magic number.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome inflation and farewell common sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome inflation and farewell common sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Chettle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/uknews/2008/11/06/should-rates-go-even-further-down/#comment-6476</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Chettle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way that lower interest rates are always celebrated by the media is a reflection of the debt-binging attitudes that created the current crisis. Cheap credit rewards the feckless and punishes prudent savers. Gordon Brown pretended to understand this, but he does not really understand it. We need to get out of this recession by working harder, investing more, and improving our education system. Otherwise, we're in for more of the same at the end of the next cycle, with even more of our national assets having been sold off to cover our liabilities in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way that lower interest rates are always celebrated by the media is a reflection of the debt-binging attitudes that created the current crisis. Cheap credit rewards the feckless and punishes prudent savers. Gordon Brown pretended to understand this, but he does not really understand it. We need to get out of this recession by working harder, investing more, and improving our education system. Otherwise, we&#8217;re in for more of the same at the end of the next cycle, with even more of our national assets having been sold off to cover our liabilities in the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Kemmish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Kemmish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a general principle, it's surprise moves which are most likely to help in situations like this.  (Anything that the market is expecting will already be priced in, by definition.)

However, I suspect this may turn out to be another example of The Law of Unintended Consequences.  I don't know if there are any tracker mortgage products left by the end of today, but it seems likely that any which remain will be closed to new customers shortly.

If the response by the banks to this cut means that the MPC has lost a large chunk of what little ability it had to influence retail rates, then it could mean that they have shot themselves in the foot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a general principle, it&#8217;s surprise moves which are most likely to help in situations like this.  (Anything that the market is expecting will already be priced in, by definition.)</p>
<p>However, I suspect this may turn out to be another example of The Law of Unintended Consequences.  I don&#8217;t know if there are any tracker mortgage products left by the end of today, but it seems likely that any which remain will be closed to new customers shortly.</p>
<p>If the response by the banks to this cut means that the MPC has lost a large chunk of what little ability it had to influence retail rates, then it could mean that they have shot themselves in the foot.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real rates now are already negative (3% nominal, but inflation is over 5%). The Bank of England is taking a huge risk with inflation. In principle they should not do so- rates should have stayed much higher and those who had been irresponsible would have to take the pain. Doing this is basically ceating the start of the next crisis.

There is of course one other possibility- that the BofE know something we do not- i.e. that the economy is in fact due to crash MUCH more than anyone expects. Then they have done the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real rates now are already negative (3% nominal, but inflation is over 5%). The Bank of England is taking a huge risk with inflation. In principle they should not do so- rates should have stayed much higher and those who had been irresponsible would have to take the pain. Doing this is basically ceating the start of the next crisis.</p>
<p>There is of course one other possibility- that the BofE know something we do not- i.e. that the economy is in fact due to crash MUCH more than anyone expects. Then they have done the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/uknews/2008/11/06/should-rates-go-even-further-down/#comment-6473</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BoE is into rabbits caught in the headlights territory now, just like the government. Sheer blind panic.

History teaches us that bucking recessionary trends is virtually impossible. You just have to ride them out. This drastic cut won't get us out of the recession and will eventually result in other serious problems.

An end to boom and bust? What a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BoE is into rabbits caught in the headlights territory now, just like the government. Sheer blind panic.</p>
<p>History teaches us that bucking recessionary trends is virtually impossible. You just have to ride them out. This drastic cut won&#8217;t get us out of the recession and will eventually result in other serious problems.</p>
<p>An end to boom and bust? What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news, running a small business this action will help enourmously. Thankyou, thankyou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news, running a small business this action will help enourmously. Thankyou, thankyou.</p>
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